How anyone can vote Tory?

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After seeing some pro labour and pro conservatives posts recently I am genuinely interested to see what makes someone vote conservative

OTHER THAN

1. Hard/ quick Brexit
2. Looking after your own finances
3. Hatred for Labour/ Corbyn

ABIU to not be able to think of any single other reason to vote conservative?

I’m not a blood thirsty, fox hunting, mega-rich arsehole.

I’m a single mum on normal rate tax trying to keep my job, pay my mortgage and raise my ds.
In order to do that I need my employer to flourish. And Corbyn’s ideas will kill that stone dead.

Economy, economy, economy!

We've worked with our suppliers, contractors and main competitors plus our accountants to obtain as much clarity as we can as a business into all outcomes of Brexit, however its an uncertainty no matter which party is voted in, nobody knows exactly what effects the options will have on business.

However the Labour manifesto is almost certainly a system that would create massive issues across our industry and many other small business led industries. I would prefer to risk uncertainty than vote for a party that I believe will have a huge detrimental effect on the country, potentially leading us far more into debt than we already are, and likely wiping us out with it taking jobs away and increasing the strain on the country 'pot'.

We want to grow, to employ more people, to carry on working hard and paying our tax. Increased jobs and more money into the country. What will happen with Brexit, who knows.

Whoever wins something is going to have be done about how we are treating the disabled in the UK. I HE my disabled child because there isn’t a suitable school. As a result we go to lots of HE activities and groups and the proportion of children with disability is horrifying. It’s real and it’s happening in your own communities. There really is very little on offer to support even the severely disabled whatever you imagine. It will get worse.

I vote Tory because I'm an actual, genuine fascist. On weekdays I get on with my day job of torturing nurses (or any other NHS worker I can get my hands on), while on weekends I relax by sticking pitchforks into babies.

I can cope with left-wingers wanting to increase redistribution. The reason I always vote to keep them out of power is that they're idiots who don't understand the insidious damage caused by lying to ourselves about the value of things. Anyone who wants to fuck with market forces by controlling salaries or the price of housing or anything else needs to be kept as far away from the economy as possible.

It's perfectly possible to have a socialist utopia without trying to override free market pricing, but it seems the impulse to give more money to poor people is almost always linked with magical thinking about how economics works.

Tbf @5zeds the quality of education for disabled children is largely area dependent my son has severe autism and learning disabilities and goes to a special school one of two special primary schools in my town there are also two special high schools there are also two primary asd hubs and two asd secondary hubs and we have three active charities that organise day trips ,activities etc for disabled children .

That’s incredible @x2boys are there waiting lists to get in or spaces?

Here everything is strained from SS places, to speech and language therapy, to EHCP assessment...

As far as I am concerned, this government has shown that they are at war with disabled people.

As a disabled person who is probably slightly older, I do not believe that is true.

Life as a disabled person is tough. It is very hard to get the support and benefits you need. This is true for disabled people and their carers. HOWEVER, this was just as true under the last Labour government. Remember, it was New Labour who were absolutely determined that all children should be educated in mainstream schools. Parents had just as many fights getting the right support for disabled children as they do now.

The disability benefits system is a mess. It was a mess under Labour and is still a mess. I have read the manifestos of both Labour and the Conservative and I see no evidence that either party will stop it being a mess.

One of the biggest barriers disabled people face is employment. The introduction of the Equalities Act - lumping disabled people into the same ‘category’ as every other protected status - has been a huge barrier to getting disabled people into work. I’ve seen very little in either the Labour or Conservative manifesto to show that either party is truly committed to getting disabled people into the workplace.

No there are no waiting lists ,it goes off need so when it goes to panel if the child meets the criteria they will get a place ,there will be some kids that are too high functioning for places but still struggle in mainstream but overall I think.we are quite well provided for ,in my LEA ,my sons special school has been expanded ,he's in year five years started in reception and I would estimate there are probably twice as many pupils now than when he started .

@DdraigGoch LMG just posted what the politburo asked her to. She is waiting on the official line re Guardian which is their official paper

Oh, for heaven’s sake. Can we have an adult discussion? The level of maturity round here is Year 6.

HOWEVER, this was just as true under the last Labour government. Remember, it was New Labour who were absolutely determined that all children should be educated in mainstream schools

I don't disagree with this at all. It was under new labour that I got my now nearly 18 year old daughter statemented (at the time) I remember the lying, disingenuous behaviour from the LA. The reports done in bad faith. The difference was the LA had money in the pot but they didn't want to spend it on disabled people. Now they literally don't have it because the government has made councils cut their budgets by up to 60%.

Disabled people are still being treated far worse by this government.

Been at work

1. I haven't actually seen that many political post (2 I think) but I'm not on everyday

1. I'm a socialist at heart

1. Every vote I've ever participated in (I'm 33) has gone the other way!

1. I don't agree with some of the labour manifesto.

1. I think austerity was a disaster (pm has admitted this too)

1. For me it's all about public services and for me the conservatives are STILL a joke on this issue

20,000 extra police officers after they've been cut by 21,000

1. I genuinely believe the majority of tories don't have a clue what it's like to live without privilege. (By this I mean family money, influential friends)

1. Someone made a great point about media tax dodging and impartiality.

1. This is why I'm struggling don't think labour has got it right but I can't justify voting conservative!

OP, its just self interest. That is the overarching reason that people vote for the tories.
No disrespect intended but I thought that this was a recognised fact and yet you have spun this out to seven pages.
Have you all nothing better to do?

Also when people say

What other reason is there than

1.self interest

1. Brexit
2. Hating labour/ Corbyn

That's my main issue!

How can you leave the public services and running of the country to a party as awful as the conservatives

They have proven themselves to be fuelled by self interest, privatisation and cuts cuts cuts

Or am I missing something?

Why are they worth voting for other than the above 3 reasons?

They aren't OP.

You are making the rudimentary error of underestimating the influence of self interest on the minds and hearts of a fair proportion of the electorate.

7. I genuinely believe the majority of tories don't have a clue what it's like to live without privilege. (By this I mean family money, influential friends)

This is an absolutely HUGE misconception. The tories’ popularity amongst ‘working class’ voters in increasing while Labour’s popularity is decreasing. Labour’s support from the highest socio-economic group is far higher than the lowest.

Many Labour policies - tuition fees, second referendum - are really attractive for the ‘middle classes’ but leave the ‘working class’ feeling totally uninspired.

5. I think austerity was a disaster
Define "disaster". The sun still goes up in the morning and goes down in the evening. We haven't had hyperinflation, people aren't resorting to eating zoo animals and the dead aren't being left unburied. The government hasn't resorted to cracking down on media freedom and using troops to keep the populace at bay. Neither has it needed to use capital controls on currency.

The above are all things which have happened under regimes the current Labour Leadership admires. Certain things have even been contemplated by John McDonnell.

The sun still goes up in the morning and goes down in the evening.

Not for some people it doesn't.

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Nearly 50% of adults don’t pay any income tax in this country. That’s the real scandal

Laura Kuenssberg -BBC political news editor, pro-Tory, repeatedly breaches bias regulations

I think the Labour Party is far more harmed by people spreading Laura Kuenssberg hate on social media in their name than anything Laura Kuenssberg has ever said or done.

But austerity HAD to happen in no small part because of disaster the Labour Party left the country in after their previous terms (PFI anyone?). And now we are just beginning to be able to loosen our belts a little again along comes Jezza filling heads with grand schemes to spend us into oblivion. No one can really argue with the fair principles of socialism, but in the real world there is simple not enough tax revenue to realise his dreams...

I vote Tory because I'm an actual, genuine fascist. On weekdays I get on with my day job of torturing nurses (or any other NHS worker I can get my hands on), while on weekends I relax by sticking pitchforks into babies

Oh and to the posters saying that Conservatives hate the disabled...I work in Special education. We are far better funded than my mainstream counterparts in a beautiful building with amazing facilities, funded and supported by a Tory council.

The reasons you gave in your OP are good enough reasons.
People can have 1 reason or 10 reasons- that’s not just a conservative thing. I mean, look at all the labour voters who will never vote Tory because their parents and grandparents and great grandparents ‘would turn in their graves’. Pretty daft to me but it’s their vote, they’re adults and if that’s the only justification they want to give, so be it.
Nobody has to justify their vote to you or give you any reasons for their choice.