To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

[ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun]

This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

I don't believe Labour could do anything as bad as the sheer misery inflicted on disabled and vulnerable people in the way that they have done.

*in the way that the Tories have done

Don't tell me what to do, @Moomin8.

You're clearly clueless and will be told so.

@ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun. US drug companies develop most of the drugs we all use and if they weren’t allowed patents or exclusivity they wouldn’t bother developing them.They have to fund their research and development some how.

Boots is one of the biggest suppliers of drugs in the UK and it is American owned. Lloyd’s is German owned. These companies already make profits from the U.K market.

Of course drugs are part of trade deal talks, just like any other commodity. The NHS doesn’t have its own drug tree at the moment, where do you think they come from?

This is pure Corbin propaganda, desperately trying to divert attention from his shocking Andrew Neil interview.

And to use NHS (Labour Party member) staff dressed in scrubs to hand out the document was absolutely appalling,trying to give the misleading view that this was in some way an NHS supported document.

I’m no Boris fan but you can’t sims much lower than Corbyn at the moment.

NHS and climate change are the most important issues in this election. Vote for whoever you think is likely to deal best with these. Brexit will take ages to be completed properly and emphasis on it has been used to obscure much more pressing matters.

Sink!

@DowntownAbby you're clearly dismissive and arrogant and will be told so.

What makes you so adamant that no cuts have been made to the NHS? I'll bet you don't use it if that's your attitude. There is an abundance of evidence to show that cuts to the NHS have had a direct impact on point of service care.

'Effects of health and social care spending restraints on mortality in England since 2010'

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722#

*constraints (autocorrect)

Corbin thinks the general public is illiterate... He brandishes a report that does not say the NHS is part of any trade deal.

Anyway, I guess this was just another good spin but I won't vote labour until it's got rid of Corbin and momentum. I've heard far too much from those they've sacked or hounded out of the party.

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn thinks that because people refuse to spell his name correctly.🤷‍♀️

AIBU to think this thread is Labour party propaganda / marketing?

And what about the pro Tory threads? They’re just genuine honest citizens are they?

No, I just haven't seen them/ they're not trending. Perhaps they're less subtle!

Not unreasonable at all.

There are a few Tory voters in my family. Their priority is paying less tax on their already huge take home pay. They couldn't care less about the NHS because they have private medical treatment through their employers. The one that surprises me the most is only alive because the NHS gave her a kidney transplant. But hey, she's got her kidney now, so fuck everyone else.

@ DionneTheDiabolist - Of course, that's it [Wink]!!

If the Labour party were so adamant that the NHS was going to be sold off they'd have organised marches and protests. They would have got the public marching with them a year or two ago because NHS privatisation is big - bigger than the poll tax!

I'm an NHS nurse and will be voting conservative.

The NHS is not going to be sold...its a complete red herring. It does need to change and adapt and stop wasting money ( poor management) and have more front line clinical staff and be better resourced for a completely different population from that it was set up to serve.

One news story would not make me change my mind and yes in previous elections I have voted differently ( labour and lib dem) .

The conservatives will be hugely increasing the money in the NHS if they win. If Labour win investors will pull out money The FTSE and pound will plummet the country will have less money to spend on the NH S. also consultants and GPs earning over 80k are likely to reduce their hours to avoid paying more tax so the staffing problem in the NHS will get worse.

I've just looked again at both manifestos. I honestly feel like the conservative one is just a last minute "oh we need to say something"
It has about 5 points.

If you're on the fence at all, I'd have a good look and refresh your memory on exactly what you're voting for.

2Rebecca wrote "If Labour win ....consultants and GPs earning over 80k are likely to reduce their hours to avoid paying more tax so the staffing problem in the NHS will get worse."

.
What are you talking about? Consultants are reducing their hours Right Now, because of TORY changes to pension taxation rules And Boris Johnson is refusing to do anything about it, despite having promised to do something about it before winter..

.
.
'69% of consultant surgeons cut their hours because of NHS pensions ‘tax trap’, as waiting times rise'

'A YouGov survey1 of surgeons commissioned by the Royal College of Surgeons of England in October, and published today, reports:

.
• 68% of consultant surgeons are considering early retirement because of the pensions tax situation.

• 64% of consultant surgeons have been advised to work fewer hours in the NHS following recent changes in pension taxation rules to avoid ‘crippling and unpredictable’ tax bills.

• 69% of consultant surgeons have reduced the amount of time they have spent working in the NHS as a direct result of changes to pension taxation rules.2

The RCS is urging Boris Johnson to follow through on a pledge he made last summer to resolve the NHS pensions ‘tax trap’, before winter arrives. Amid record waiting times, the RCS warns that patients will face even longer waits this winter if the Government doesn’t take swift action. ..'

www.rcseng.ac.uk/news-and-events/media-centre/press-releases/pension-tax-member-survey/

And people earning £85,000 a year will pay just £21 a month more under Labour tax proposals. £5.25 a week. That clearly is so unfair that NHS Consultants will refuse to pay it by finding ways around it, cutting their hours ..... Of course they won't.

And Labour say they will sort out the NHS pension problem where exactly? Also our pensions are invested. If the FTSE plummets they are worth less so other NHS money has to go in to top them up. So far the Tories are the only party saying they will sort out the pension mess. Labour will just add to it

I have 3 frontline NHS staff in my family.
For the NHS, and a hundred other reasons, we are voting Labour.

I guarantee that the next election and everyone after that, Labour will be going on about the tories wanting to privatise the NHS. It’s all they’ve got. They will never privatise it. It would be political suicide. If they were going to, it would’ve been done in the last ten years. I honestly think Labour supporters must be thick to believe this crap every election. It’s the only explanation

But an increasing amount of NHS services are being provided by private companies and this is a form of privatisation because NHS money is going to company profits and share dividends.