To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

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This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

Labour are useless for the NHS
that’s Utter croc that it’s “only safe with them”
I’m front line health care A&E for 20y and have seen the damage a labour government does...useless targets, regulations and private finance initiatives....... just dire.....
The system is not fit for purpose because it’s free at the point of want not need right now and cannot continue.... no matter who comes to power! I personally no longer care as there’s a naive ignorance re the entire structure of the nhs.
those papers JC waved are a Joke......nothing contentious in there... pharmacy is an industry. The BMA are a left wing union and don’t represent most Doctors at all!

YANBU, the tories will destroy the nhs
Corbyn will destroy the whole country.
It’s such a shame, the country are ready for change, it’s there for the taking and I truly believe that with ANY other leader Labour would romp home - this is their best opportunity in decades - but comrade Corbyn is a very dangerous man and Labour will suffer when they could so easily be in power if they weren’t led by a n idealistic nut job.

To imagine Tory MPs don't profit from NHS 'privatisation'. That's naive.

2017
'Over 70 MPs Connected to Companies Involved in Private Healthcare'

'In total 76 MPs have recent past or present financial links to companies or individuals involved in private healthcare. Of them, 61 are Conservative MPs, 8 are Labour MPs, and 4 are Liberal Democrats, leaving 1 other from the Bishops.
This means, 81% of MPs with these links are Conservative.

The Members financial interests represent every stage of the healthcare value chain from advisors to private equity firms funding the private healthcare companies, to having shares in those same companies.

They are Chairman of estate companies involved in PFI deals, partners in legal firms that make those deals, advisors to private hospitals, they represent companies in pharmaceutical media, medical equipment, care homes, lobbying, and insurance. You name it, they have it covered and the list of vested interests in both the Commons and the Lords is so great, that it can best be described as a healthcare coup d’état of our parliamentary institutions.

These parliamentarians coupled with the 142 Lords with the same interests, make a total of 206 parliamentarians with financial links to companies involved in healthcare.

All of these public servants were allowed to vote on the Health and Social Care bill, helping it pass into Act.'

socialinvestigations.blogspot.com/2012/07/over-70-mps-connected-to-companies.html

There is so much bollocks on this thread!

@Moomin8

On what planet has NHS funding been cut???

This is lies being put about by Labour. I think you will be able to find an alternative story from the Conservative. All the political parties are telling just as many lies about each other. They are ALL liars !

To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?529Show OP
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Personally, I’m quite a political person with quite strong opinions. However, I will be abstaining this time because I can’t in all good conscience vote for any of them this time
Why don’t you at least vote Green - the more votes they get the higher they are on the agenda at least.

Don't forget there's a HUGE difference between promising something and actually delivering it. It all sounds great, but they can't deliver it if there's no money.

Downtown Abby wrote: "On what planet has NHS funding been cut???"

The 40,000 shortfall in nurses in the NHS was largely caused by the Tory policy of removing Nurses Bursaries for training. Nurses now qualify with a huge debt, notwithstanding that they actually WORK in the NHS during training. That figure of shortfall is estimated to rise to 68,000 by 2024.

On what planet is that not a Tory Cut?

There is so much bollocks on this thread!

MN is openly targeted by Momentum bots, the narrative has moved on if you are in the whatsapp groups but here is the grounding:

organise.peoplesmomentum.com/canvassing

MN needs to clamp down.

As for the NHS argument, it will be ignored from the previous link and this image

pbs.twimg.com/media/EKYcXbcXkAA7POO.jpg:large

It is a coordinated astrotruf, which if it was from a right wing slant would have been reported, MN needs to start stepping up and moving these types of threads over to politics.

"MN is openly targeted by Momentum bots"

What utter nonsense. I for one am a disabled person, who has seen first hand, close up, the harsh end of NHS Cuts and other Tory Cuts, and bothered to examine the policies behind the cuts. Waiting a full year for a consultant's appointment for a medical condition that puts me at high risk of falling, is just one example.

@ColourMagic

Justanotherlurker wrote: "It is a coordinated astrotruf"

Thats just rubbish. As someone who has posted quite a bit tonight, finding myself actually able to think and write and post here, which is a rarity due to disability, its sickening to have the posts on this thread nastily presumed to be the work of 'bots' and 'astroturfers'.

So many vote conservative signs in my area. Total Tory lead. It makes me sad

It was Labour who brought in the work capability assessments via ATOS under Blair, not the Conservatives. Harriet Harman introduced the privatisation of welfare assessments back in 1998.

Just to keep things accurate.

It was also Labour who introduced PFI deals into the NHS.

Fucking idiots.

What utter nonsense.

Of course it is, this place is full of GCHQ bots, am I right?

Aren't these the same papers released 15 months ago on the trade talks Boris had. Terrible mess. What I keep asking myself is how will America fund the NHS? Will we all have to take out private insurance? What will happen to our tax/insurance contributions, will we stop paying a large proportion. I am at a loss to totally understand how an American system can be applied unless there is a huge withdrawal of public funds.

nothing more than Labour scaremongering! Theres nothing in the documents at all.

Thats just rubbish. As someone who has posted quite a bit tonight, finding myself actually able to think and write and post here, which is a rarity due to disability, its sickening to have the posts on this thread nastily presumed to be the work of 'bots' and 'astroturfers'.

Trying to turn this argument into some kind of disablist situation is not applying any kind of critical thinking at all.

Pointing out the obvious labour activists is not being some kind of disablists, to try and conflate the two is disingenuous.

Justanotherlurker wrote: "Trying to turn this argument into some kind of disablist situation is not applying any kind of critical thinking at all.
Pointing out the obvious labour activists is not being some kind of disablists, to try and conflate the two is disingenuous."

It's you who who is claiming there are 'Momentum bots' here. I merely pointed out that my posting tonight is because I am able to do so for once, so made the most of it, as I usually can't. I am not a member of Momentum and have never been to a party political meeting in my life (on or offline). So I am not a bot, or an astroturfer.

Or is it not 'OK' to point that out?

PFIs might not have been the best way of going about it but at least Labour built new hospitals and schools which we hadn't had for 18 years of Tory rule. For those harping back to the 70s have a look at what Thatcher did in the 80s and early 90s! My husband had to wait 18 months for an x-ray back then, Tony Blair reduced waiting times massively.

We are a "disabled family" too and I wouldn't vote for Labour if you paid me. They are promising unicorns and fairies, sounds lovely but never going to happen. In reality they would destroy our country very quickly. The wealthy will leave as they don't want to be victimised and the poor will suffer massively.
Anyone who thinks different is kidding themselves.

It was Labour who brought in the work capability assessments via ATOS under Blair

Blair was not particularly a creature of the Labour Party. He was not Thatcher on steroids but let's be real.

"The wealthy will leave as they don't want to be victimised and the poor will suffer massivley"

"The poor", especially disabled people, ARE suffering massively, and being victimised, right now, and have been increasingly for the last near decade due to Tory policies. That's what the damning UN Reports I posted on were about.

@DowntownAbby stop being so ignorant.