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To think that it's impossible to vote for Jeremy Corbyn after last night's interview?

771 replies

PleaseDontLaugh · 27/11/2019 05:56

To be upfront : I would never vote for Labour or Corbyn anyway, for various reasons.. But that was not a good interview and had I been considering it I would be very concerned now.

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Gin96 · 28/11/2019 13:46

I’m not pretending anything I just want answers to questions but i’ll just have to go with the information just isn’t available

MayDayFightsBack · 28/11/2019 15:00

@Gin96 the markets are reacting to the idea of stability because the poll suggests there will be a working majority whereas there has been the implication for months that there would be another hung Parliament.

AhNowTed · 28/11/2019 15:05

Gideon Levy is an award-winning jewish journalist. Here he writes for Israel's oldest newspaper Haaretz:

"Corbyn is not an anti-Semite. His real sin is to fight against injustice in the world, including the version Israel perpetrates."

www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-contract-on-corbyn-1.8192769

ShatnersWig · 28/11/2019 15:38

Johnson not taking part in the debate on Climate Change tonight along with all other leaders except Farage.

Johnson refusing to a public debate with his Labour challenger in his own seat in Uxbridge.

Johnson still not able to find a date to be interviewed by Andrew Neil.

Corbyn's interview with Neil may have been a car crash, but at least he bloody did it. Johnson is a coward and is afraid to be shown up my the other leaders, his opponents in his own constituency and the other leaders in a debate tonight. Says it all.

Trewser · 28/11/2019 15:51

I don't watch debates so I don't care that he's not doing them. I can't be the only one that finds the debate format utterly tedious.

Trewser · 28/11/2019 15:52

Corbyn's interview with Neil may have been a car crash, but at least he bloody did it. Johnson is a coward and is afraid to be shown up possibly. I bet JC wishes he hadn't done it either.

Alsohuman · 28/11/2019 15:55

. I bet JC wishes he hadn't done it either

I bet he does too. The BBC shouldn’t have broadcast any of them before all of them were recorded. A PM running away from any scrutiny or challenge doesn’t inspire confidence, does it?

ShatnersWig · 28/11/2019 16:01

Trewser You may not, but millions do.

ReadtheSmallPrint · 28/11/2019 16:08

The BBC shouldn’t have broadcast any of them before all of them were recorded. A PM running away from any scrutiny or challenge doesn’t inspire confidence, does it?

I agree.

fortunatelynot · 28/11/2019 19:25

So many generalisations on this thread.....so I would like to say that:
There is absolutely no hard evidence that BJ wants to sell off the NHS.

The Lib Dems were absolutely FOR austerity when the they were in bed with the Tories and were instrumental in wanting to introduce the bedroom tax.
Today, independent fiscal groups have rubbished the financial policies in the manifestos of Labour and LDs.
JC’s policy of negotiating a credible deal with the Eu before putting it through on a referendum is a joke and what is even worse is that he refuses to adopt a firm stance.
His removal of the married tax allowance makes everyone who is married £250 worse off.
He refuses to provide reassurance about how he would protect our country in an attack.
He is, quite frankly, ludicrous. I’m so glad he is leader though, as he’s the best weapon the Tories have.

AhNowTed · 28/11/2019 19:43

Independent fiscal groups also rubbished the Tories but you've very conveniently omitted to mention it.

The rest of your post could come straight from CCHQ.

Johnson is a pathological liar so his manifesto can say anything- he's doesn't give a shit about delivering it.

Don't accuse others of generalisations as if you've some kind of balanced view when in fact you're just going to spout Tory claptrap.

AnnieTotach · 28/11/2019 19:58

"Gideon Levy is an award-winning jewish journalist. Here he writes for Israel's oldest newspaper Haaretz:

"Corbyn is not an anti-Semite. His real sin is to fight against injustice in the world, including the version Israel perpetrates."

I know Gidon Levy and his writing very well and have a lot of respect for him even if I don't always agree with him.

I don't think he understands at all the British context in which Corbyn is operating and the toxic environment created in Labour. He sees Corbyn in a one dimensional way and I think he has totally misread him. He knows Israel/Palestine very well, not the UK and its politics.

Funnily enough Gidon Levy is a Jewish Israeli journalist who is EXTREMELY critical of Israeli policy and the Israeli state yet, somehow, manages not to be antisemitic himself. Funny that he manages to do that yet all the Corbynistas scream that anyone criticizing Israel is labelled antisemitic.

AhNowTed · 28/11/2019 20:27

@AnnieTotach

I think we'll have to disagree on this Annie. I do think that anyone in the UK criticising Israeli policy gets labelled anti-Semitic. I think that's because not enough people understand what antisemitism actually is, and confuse that with concern for Palestinians.

As well as Mr Levy, there's been other prominent British Jews who support Corbyn.

Also I think it's interesting that, while there's approx 260K Jews in the UK, and the press have been filled all week with AS stories. Whereas there's over 3 million Muslims and nobody's really talking about Islamophobia in the Tory party.

I'm left to conclude 2 things

The dominant right wing press bias

We consider Jews more British (and white) than Muslims, and therefore don't really care so much

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 20:42

what this debate has revealed to me is there are a number of really nasty idiots out there, like the ones who seem to think jewish people are too stupid to recognise antisemitism or are manipulating/lying about antisemitism.

Alsohuman · 28/11/2019 20:44

And precisely nobody has said anything like that @Helmetbymidnight.

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 20:49

what do you think the 'being pro-palestinian is not antisemitism' memes and statements and comments everywhere are for?

Helmetbymidnight · 28/11/2019 20:50

I do think that anyone in the UK criticising Israeli policy gets labelled anti-Semitic. I think that's because not enough people understand what antisemitism actually is, and confuse that with concern for Palestinians.

what is this then?

LapisJewel · 28/11/2019 20:52

Neil is a formidable interviewer.
Corbyn doesn't have the skills of a Blair or Obama.
But his policies are infinitely better then theirs, or Johnson's.
That's what I care about, so YABU.

sunglasses123 · 28/11/2019 21:03

But JC’s policies are ill thought out. Where is he going to get 56 billion to pay WASPI women, he didn’t know how much tax revenue the higher earners brought into the coffers. He doesn’t actually care, first it will be £80k, then £60k the. £40k and the £10.50 an hour will put off employers from taking on young people with little experience.

He seems to think the billionaires will just stay around, why would they he hates them although I believe JC is worth circa £3 m (did I dream that?)

John McDonnell was on the picket line with the Macdonalds workers demanding 13.50 per hour, more than a student nurse. More than a care worker, does that sit well with you?

1066vegan · 28/11/2019 21:08

Quite a few posters have expressed concerns about how realistic Labour's nationalisation plans are.

From what I've seen, the plans are less radical than the 1945 nationalisation. The current plans are basically to nationalise the utilities. Clem Attlee's government also nationalised some industries eg coal and steel. They managed to do that and to create the Welfare State when the country was on its knees after the 2nd World War.

Personally, I don't think Corbyn's plans go far enough. It's disgusting that - for example - prisons, forensic science services and the parole service have been partly privatised.

Alsohuman · 28/11/2019 21:12

The IFS says the cost of a no deal Brexit will dwarf Labour’s manifest promises.

LapisJewel · 28/11/2019 21:25

@sunglasses123, no one Labour policy can be seen in isolation.
Minimum wage in 1979 was alot higher then an equivalent of £13.50.
The establishment are always saying, no other world is possible. It is! It is in Scandinavia, it was in the UK and US from 45-75. Living standards sky rocketed with proper government investment. They have stagnated since Reegan/Thatcher.

A better world is possible.

The deficit isn't that important, and anyway it went from 1 trillion to 1.5 trillion in the last 9 years! I thought the whole point of austerity was to reduce it!

LapisJewel · 28/11/2019 21:27

@1066vegan, I totally agree.

LapisJewel · 28/11/2019 21:33

Re antisemitism in Labour, I think there are 2 truths:

  1. There is a genuine problem there.
  2. The issue is weaponized by those trying to a)destroy Labour, b)silence criticism of Isreal.
LittleSweet · 28/11/2019 21:34

That's so funny up. So you think that the galloping BJ is a good choice. 😆