Tory MN round 2 - a place for Tories to gather ...

[Goddessofgrowth]

And be ritually abused, of course

Also, we have seen this with polls countless times before, time and time again. And the end result has repeatedly not gone as expected or predicted

I actually think polls confidently predicting a Tory win are a potentially result changing disadvantage

“I actually think polls confidently predicting a Tory win are a potentially result changing disadvantage”

Yes, I agree, it’s a disincentive to get off your arse and vote.

Howabout,
Great post!

Iggly: "I think it’s healthy for people of opposing political views to come together and debate."
I agree. Good to discuss.

"The thing I try to remember is that we are all human and are guided by our personal experiences. As long as we do no harm and don’t actively encourage or endorse the harm of others then crack on."
Again, agree. Yet those of us not falling into the Labour line have already had death (of various types) sincerely wished on us. I've not see anyone respond similarly the other way round?

"However the latter is a real issue for me when it comes to Tory policies and I don’t understand why people deny it when the facts are there to be seen."
Many of us feel exactly the same about Labour. We don't trust (what we feel to be) complete pie in the sky promises versus the economy, we don't trust the people running to do right for the country at all, we don't believe the carefully worded denials of antisemitism, we have no clue wtf he will do on Brexit and we know for sure he is against women's rights, because JC's outright told us.

Whereas you (I think) wonder why we are willing to vote for austerity/Brexit/wholesale widespread state murder (or whatever it was being accused in the other thread) etc etc.

Me personally, I'm voting for what I truly believe is the least shitty outcome out a shitty choice. You will no doubt do the same based on what you feel (good, as it should be). Neither of us feel the need for the pathetic wide-eyed, faux-shock horror golly gosh antics of some pp on the other thread for doing that.

See, it's good to talk.

Agree, Epic and Bovary. It breeds complacency, one of the fatal flaws of the 2017 campaign.

What's interesting about the bookie's odds is that neither Labour nor the LibDems have moved a jot.

What also might be interesting is that at the exact same point as before the snap election - just over two weeks before the GE and just after the Conservative manifesto was published - the Conservative lead has held steady in double digits whereas in 2017, Theresa sliced the same poll lead to just 2%.

In the end, it's only the crosses in the boxes that count, of course, and if a week is a long time in politics, two weeks is eternity.

I'm nervous too.

I'm nervous too.

Me too. We're in the process of buying a house - I've told my husband we should not exchange until after the election.

Remember now this country is in the shit because of a botched referendum the tories were never supposed to lose and a general election in which the tories lost their working majority becoming reliant on the DUP to stay afloat!

What Ken Clarke actually said in the Guardian about his voting intentions

“I haven’t made my mind up which way I’m going to vote. It depends where Boris has taken us by then. If I was going to cast a protest vote, I would follow the Conservative tradition of voting Lib Dem.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/ken-clarke-interview-andrew-rawnsley-lost-tory-whip

Not quite the same as Ken Clarke is urging people to vote LibDem.

I don't know how you spin a highly regarded tory contemplating voting anyone other than tory as anything other than a disaster.

The tories are now the brexit party.

Ghost
Nice try but clearly you are the one doing the spinning. The single most Europhile Tory MP saying he would consider a protest vote if a no deal Brexit was on the cards. Shock!

To state the obvious, the 'highly regarded' detractors are remainers. When Johnson starts pleasing lifelong europhiles, I'll defect.

I predict a Tory win.
However I am not thrilled by this any more than I would be by a Labour win. Neither side have covered themselves in glory to be frank.

I’ll vote Labour locally as a tactical vote. We have a pretty good Tory MP here but that’s not saying much as they’d elect a paedophile in a mucky mac round here if he had a blue rosette.

My hope is that my MPs majority will be decreased enough to cause concern higher up and get the party looking at how unhappy so much of the electorate is.

It’s nowt to do with Brexit for me...although I am still waiting to see what will be so fabulous without the EU. Not convinced by the Leave brigade .

And I want to see young people out and voting. Not only may the smaller parties benefit from their votes (if that’s what they choose) but the bigger parties will have to up their game and work harder to keep their newer voters loyal.

don't need lectures from you or The Guardian. I was there.

I was there too. And I didn’t lecture anyone.

For what it’s worth, I think we’re going to end up with no overall majority too, which party’s the biggest is in the lap of the gods.

I was there too

And you know what they said? Well some of it was true!

Unexpected Clash diversion. Thanks for the ear worm.

Well if we are playing the I was there game

Gerald Kaufman once got on the same bus as me.

Unexpected Clash diversion. Thanks for the ear worm

Ha bellini, Good catch! Can’t get it out of my head now, fab song

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a hung parliament with the tories as the largest party. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a tory majority. This is a very unpredictable election.

I live in a very, very safe tory seat which also voted leave. Our MP ‘crossed the floor’ and is no longer standing in our constituency. Labour don’t stand a chance in this area. There are a lot of older leave voters.

No one of my age is prepared to talk about politics unless they are a Labour supporter or remainder. No one my age (mid forties) would admit to voting tory.

It’s very different where my family live - Labour/tory marginal In the midlands. They seem to be very ‘pro Boris’ there. Ironically, it’s not ‘pro tory’ it’s ‘pro Boris’.

We live in strange times.

I agree that it is harder to call as Brexit has blurred the traditional party lines.

That’s very true. Interesting times if nothing else.

No one of my age is prepared to talk about politics unless they are a Labour supporter or remainder. No one my age (mid forties) would admit to voting tory

Interesting. But how many of your peers do you think might vote for them? Is it the ‘shy Tory’ phenomenon?

The single most Europhile Tory MP saying he would consider a protest vote if a no deal Brexit was on the cards. Shock!

Prior to the referendum most Tories wanted to remain. The party has now been taken over by Brexit party wannabees. Its not a good look.

I think that euroscepticism has always existed and it’s a cross-party issue.

Prior to the referendum most Tories wanted to remain

Actually, prior to the referendum, most Tory MPs wanted to remain.

Most Conservative Party members wanted to Leave.