To feel worried about the future? (Election related)

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I’m incredibly sick of the society we’re living in. It’s bleak and horrible. When you hear about the millions of children in poverty and over 130000 people who have died as a result of austerity it makes me so sad.

My dh and I are working 4 jobs between us just to be able to save up for a house, whereas my elder siblings managed to buy in the 90’s when everything was cheaper with tiny deposits. No matter how we save, house prices keep rising and our “25%” deposit figure keeps getting bigger.

I feel deflated and feel like there’s no hope. Liars and cheats are the winners in this world. Hard working people get nothing. I’m probably feeling over emotional but the thought of another 5 years of tories fills me with terror.

What an absurd statement. Are you seriously trying to claim that life is objectively worse for the poorest groups today than it was in the 50s/60s/70s/80s/90s?

Yes I am saying exactly that. I was poor in the 70s, a single parent on benefits for a while. We had enough to eat and keep a roof over our heads then. I lived through Thatcher and that time was benign compared with now.

I am embarrassed by the lack of empathy in this country for those who are struggling. I have never been so ashamed to call myself British.

Yanbu I am worried about the Tory future

I agree empathy is gone

*Oh that’s okay then - fuck the poor, fuck the disabled like my children, fuck the 120,000 people who’ve died including my mother, as long as the rest of us are okay.

The bottom of society? 34% of U.K. children living in poverty is not the bottom of society.*

But that's not what I said?

Also, most of what you just claimed has been covered in this thread, so you either haven't read it or you have and are choosing to ignore the truth.

But basically, "austerity" has not killed 120,000 people. 34% of kids are not living in "poverty". They are apparently living in "relative poverty" which is a load of nonsense.

To be honest, it's quite a good thing that we now consider someone to be in poverty if they can't afford a 2 week holiday every year and takeaways at the weekend (yes this is legitimately a way they measure poverty in some organisations).

We have come a very long way.

Children who are living in abject poverty are there because of their parents. And that is a tragedy.

How would you deal with poverty?

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Alsohuman, I know the truth can be daunting but you'll get over it.

Yanbu

I hate this shit show uncaring people keep inflicting on us.

Also relative poverty has a huge negative effect on young people's self esteem and life chances.

I’m well aware that you’re goading me to say something extremely rude to you so you can report it but I won’t give you that satisfaction. Consider yourself ignored.

At every election we hear the same baloney from Labour about the imminent sale of the NHS. It's never going to happen.

The Tories are the best party to ensure you live in a stable society with life chances and with a good benefitgs system so if you are worried about them worried don't. Instead worry that Corbyn might win in which case it is unlikely the country will be able longer term to afford benefits as now.

As most sensible voters k now with the weird relative poverty definitions when everyone gets worse off childrenin poverty suddenly rise higher (even though they have less money!!!)
Vote Conservative.

The Tories are the best party to ensure you live in a stable society with life chances and with a good benefitgs system so if you are worried about them worried don't.

I try not to get exasperated on these threads but this is demonstrably bullshit.

By every metric, the tories have destabilised society over the last decade. A good benefits system? A stable country? Where have you been for the last almost 10 years?

As most sensible voters k now with the weird relative poverty definitions when everyone gets worse off childrenin poverty suddenly rise higher (even though they have less money!!!)

....what?

A stable country? There are vast swathes of the population who are ignorant, complacent and apathetic, yes. Many of them are on this thread. That's not the same as stable, though.

I've been on MN a long time. Every election these threads are the same. What baffles me, endlessly, is the lengths so many posters will go to to avoid shelling out a few more quid a month in PAYE.

The demonisation of what are fundamentally rather middle-of-the-road, vaguely socialist-ish policies that could significantly improve the quality of life for millions of people in this country, is really quite mind-boggling. What exactly are you people so afraid of?

I feel almost clinically depressed this morning.

What a stupid, insensitive comment. Get some perspective for fucks sake

What a stupid, insensitive comment. Get some perspective for fucks sake

How is being worried about how your country will end up lacking perspective? The thought of another five years of this incarnation of the Tory party and a crash out Brexit makes me feel physically sick and I’m a tough old bird.

And the irony of calling someone insensitive and then then brutally telling them to get some perspective. Why didn’t you tell them to pull themselves together while you were at it?

The demonisation of what are fundamentally rather middle-of-the-road, vaguely socialist-ish policies that could significantly improve the quality of life for millions of people in this country, is really quite mind-boggling. What exactly are you people so afraid of?

You find it mind boggling because you don't understand why his policies will not work. People who refuse to vote for him understand this.

They can't work.

Lives will not be improved.

Also,

This is what people are afraid of.

Which policies 'won't work', m8? Very similar policies as those in the current manifesto work perfectly well in many European countries.

Are you genuinely suggesting that another 5 years of the Tory Party in power will improve things for those who are struggling now? For the NHS? For education? For social care? For mental health services? For those who cannot afford to buy a home? For those currently requiring food banks?

I mean, they've already been in power for almost a decade now. What are they waiting for?

As most sensible voters k now with the weird relative poverty definitions when everyone gets worse off childrenin poverty suddenly rise higher (even though they have less money!!!)
Vote Conservative.

Yeah. I’d rather not take advice from someone who at one point owned their own private island..or still does. Wonder why you’ll be voting Conservatives.

I started this thread hoping to be proved wrong, but we really are in shit times.

You find it mind boggling because you don't understand why his policies will not work. People who refuse to vote for him understand this

The sheer arrogance and rudeness of this is mind boggling. Such policies work perfectly well in other, more enlightened, countries. After nine years of shit government, anyone who advocates more of it is clearly incapable of learning from experience.

Yanbu. I think the people who laugh and joke about voting tory as if they are just being cheeky but it all doesn't really matter have probably not been anywhere near enough to the devastation caused by tory government to see it. When you live in it, you can't just switch it off in your brain at night. But people equate the fear of losing a few hundred pounds a year (when still having £4000 after tax each month) to the same struggle of a family deciding whether to eat or have heat in winter. I have been accused of virtue signalling when I say things like this. But I just wish every prospective tory voter spent just one day with someone who bares the brunt of it. Then decide who to vote for.

@Silverysurfer
I apologise I misread your post.
There are some rude people posting here trying to push their own opinions (to not vote conservatives) however everyone has their right to choose and vote their own way. We all live different lives and will see fit to choose different parties it does not make anyone ignorant as pp have tried labelling it as. Lets be fair we arent being given much of choice BJ or JC. They all promise the world and never deliver and it will not change.

Most people I know that were traditionally Labour voters are pro-Brexit and are having to vote Tory to get what they want this time.

I’m no Boris fan and was a Remainer but I think if the Tories stay in power it should hopefully stabilise the economy and prevent a recession. If Corbyn got in the 2+ years of uncertainty (and the subsequent impact on market sentiment) are only set to continue.

I wish we could turn back the clocks on the referendum but unfortunately I think we’re too far along the line now for it not to happen. Let Boris finish the job and the country can finally try to move forward from the economic limbo that it’s found itself in.

We all live different lives and will see fit to choose different parties it does not make anyone ignorant

I agree with half of that statement but believe it is ignorant when people refuse to see/believe the harm done since 2010. It’s there and real. I’d rather avoid supporting a government which thinks food bank users deserve it, that millions of children should be grateful for living in shit homes through no fault of their own etc etc.

I lived one of those childhoods and it wasn’t my fault. Nor the fault of my mother. Why would people want children to suffer that?

There has not been harm done since 2010. The Tories inherited a huge mess and have made a really good job of starting to tackle it. Let us give them at least another 5 years from next month to get on with the job.