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In ending a friendship for this?

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hadromum · 24/11/2019 13:29

DH, DS and I went to a friends house last night. They have kids too.

When we went to leave the husband picked up ds (6) and tossed him around a bit to say goodbye. He didn't mean it in an unkind way but DS got upset.

I took ds in to another room to give him a cuddle, husband came in to say 'sorry' to ds but told him he needed to toughen up/man up and stop being such a baby.

He's upset ds before, made the odd comment about him being spoilt and soft. We'd not seen them for a few months the last time it happened. Clearly seeing them last night was a huge error of judgment on my part.

When he's made comments before dh and I have never said anything. He's a very domineering man. He shouts his wife and kids down constantly. He hits his kids for misbehaving. His daughter once snuck downstairs when she was meant to be in bed and he made her hold her hands out and hit them as hard as he could. In front of us. She started crying and he did it again.

Last night I'd had enough. I told him ds didn't need to man up and toughen up, he's a just turned 6 little boy. That he needed to back off and I didn't want him saying things like that anymore. He was very drunk if that makes any difference.

He started yelling at me (dh had taken ds out) and I told him he was just a bully. If people didn't agree with him he just scares them in to being quiet. And I was done with it.

So then he put his hand on my face and pushed me pretty hard and I stumbled back. I'm very ashamed to say that at that point I lost my temper completely and yelled at him. So I don't drip feed later- I've been in an abusive relationship before and rightly or wrongly that's probably why I lost my temper and yelled at him. It was absolute shock of someone (almost worse in a way as it was a friend) being psychical.

We've continued to be around them as we live close together in a remote community so are around them almost daily. There's no escaping it. And I'm really good friends with his wife.

Am I over reacting in being so upset?

And to just want to not socialise with them ever again?

He texted Dh later just 'sorry'. Typical that the misogynist felt the need to say sorry to dh and not me. I've not heard from him or his wife, I'm pretty shocked I've not had an apology from her today, not that it's her that should be apologising but if dh had done something like that I'd be reaching out. I'm guessing she's probably siding with him.

Obviously dh thinks it was terrible but he doesn't understand why I'm so upset. I'm being silly probably but it's really shaken me up. I'm in my 40s. I'm a Mum. Obviously that doesn't mean these things should happen any less to anyone but I thought those kinds of toxic and unpleasant situations were a thing of the past.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 24/11/2019 16:45

Obviously dh thinks it was terrible but he doesn't understand why I'm so upset.

He doesn't understand why you are upset after both you AND your DS were physically assaulted? Seriously? I'd have a BIG problem with that. What is your DH saying should happen?

I'd find a way to tell the wife that you'll be there for her if she needs you, but that you will no longer have anything to do with her abusive husband. And then I'd call Social Services and report him for abusing his children. If he smacks his children that hard in front of other people, God only knows what goes on when there are no 'observers'.

And if anyone in the 'remote area' asked me why I wasn't socializing with this family, I'd tell them the plain unvarnished truth.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 24/11/2019 16:48

Where you live, what sort of gun control is there? A number of guns plus domestic abuse sounds like the intro to a report about something truly horrible, to be honest. If a report was made concerning his mental fitness to own firearms, would that have any effect?
I'm not usually in favour or reporting people, but this is an extreme case (or has the potential to become so). I think you need to report to everyone possible- school, police, social services, anyone who will listen. I would also follow up every report with a letter. Maybe nobody will listen, and nothing will be done. That's possible, but I think the time may come when you need to know that you tried as hard as you could. I would also ask the friend's husband to report having a gun held to his head (and repeat for every other single person he has threatened or assaulted). Sometimes a pattern of behaviour will get action faster than what may otherwise be seen as an isolated incident.

OrangeSlices998 · 24/11/2019 16:50

Even if you don’t believe it will change things, report what happened to you and what you’ve witnessed before. It will help build a picture, and could be really important information. Your friend is in abusive, dangerous situation and the best thing you can do is involve the authorities not sit back. Those children need someone to speak up for them.

hadromum · 24/11/2019 16:52

I'm glad dh didn't do anything. It could have escalated in to tragedy. His main concern was keeping ds away from it which I'm grateful for.

I have no intention of ever speaking to him again, it's her I was wondering about continuing the friendship. But I don't see how I could now for many reasons. And although I understand domestic abuse and people's reactions from a personal standpoint, I just can not see how she allows him to hit their children. If dh ever so much as laid a finger on ds I'd at the very least leave him and in all honestly would probably stove his head in with a shovel. But I realise she's probably become deadened to it and the whole frog boiling in a pot analogy.

I'm deeply ashamed that I've never said spoken up when he's hit his children. I try to never regret things in life but I'll always regret that, my boundaries of what is acceptable were (and probably always will be) blurred but that's no excuse. My silence has made me complicit and has to some extent enabled it and that's disgusting.

There is much more of a culture of corporal punishment here. Although I'm surprised at how many friends from the UK still smack. And just look at any thread about it on Mumsnet and a shocking amount of people think it's ok.

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MotherOfDragonite · 24/11/2019 16:53

I would absolutely end the friendship immediately to minimise the exposure you and your family have to this man.

Any kind of physical aggression is a red flag. It's especially weird, I feel, with a female accquaintance with her husband there. What might he have done to a family member in private? What about to you if nobody else had been there?

I'd also make a report to the police right away, not to press charges or anything but to make sure it's on the record in case anyone else contacts them in future with concerns.

Grumpelstilskin · 24/11/2019 16:55

Fuck his wife! This sounds harsh but you need to keep away from him and if she is never without him then that it means avoiding her too. She does not stand up for her own kids but yours are more important than her.

SpiderCharlotte · 24/11/2019 17:02

Obviously dh thinks it was terrible but he doesn't understand why I'm so upset.

Sorry, what?????

FFS. You need to report this man for assaulting you and manhandling your son. Though I very much doubt you will.

Countryescape · 24/11/2019 17:10

Ring the police and report him. He assaulted you!! What did your DH do? Mine would have gone ballistic and try to sort him out.

Elieza · 24/11/2019 17:27

OP this is your chance now to help those poor kids and that (probably terrified) woman. Don’t feel to bad at not doing so before now, you didn’t know the full extent of things before. Now you do and there are lots more witnesses to other incidents so it will hopefully be enough to get him taken down to the station for questioning.

Once you tell the police, school, social work they will note it all down for future reference. Plus they can search the house for the gun as it’s illegal to have a gun without a license here and I doubt he’ll have a license. Sounds like a gangsta.

Good luck OP. You’re doing a good thing.

EmmaOvary · 24/11/2019 17:30

You need to report him to the police for assault and report him to social services for abuse. He is not domineering, he is abusive.

Villagegreenpreservation · 24/11/2019 17:40

Sorry but why is your husband not on the phone reporting this? As well as a culture of corporal punishment is it a culture where women are subjugated?

lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 24/11/2019 17:42

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lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 24/11/2019 17:43

oh dear I'm so sorry, I seem to have done that wrong! Was trying to start my own thread. apologies I'm a MN virgin :(

AtrociousCircumstance · 24/11/2019 17:49

I’m astonished at your lack of boundaries that led you to return to the house after you witnessed him assaulting his child.

Your H doesn’t understand why you’re upset? It seems like both of you are weirdly numb to unmistakable child abuse and abusive behaviour.

You have to report his abuse of his children and you have to report his assault on you.

StreetwiseHercules · 24/11/2019 17:52

There would be more than one assault to worry about if anyone did that to my wife and child. I would also kick the man’s head in for doing what he did to his own child. He is a piece of shit.

Yes, error of judgment on your part to have this person in your life. Your husband needs to wake up immediately.

PrettyPurse · 24/11/2019 18:10

@hadromum would you see your friend at school? Could you speak to her then?

He must leave her alone at some point to work

ActualHornist · 24/11/2019 18:15

How the FUCK neither was reported to the police I don't know

For exactly the same reason you’re not going to report?

I get why you’re afraid and upset. I’d be really upset that not only this had happened to me and my child, but also that my husband was so spineless as to not do anything at the time. I’m sorry if that upsets but sounds like my upbringing was the same as your husbands but I wouldn’t hesitate to defend my child and husband, verbally at least.

LannisterLion1 · 24/11/2019 19:06

You can't help her, but you can report his behaviour to protect your family, report the child abuse and inform the school. If she won't protect her children, someone should!

He's a nasty bully. Cut him off and try to help his kids.

LannisterLion1 · 24/11/2019 19:09

Is your husband minimising the bullys behaviour or would he support you in reporting his behaviour?

nilcarborundum · 24/11/2019 19:10

This man sounds dangerous. You say he has guns? What if he'd gone to get one and shot you in the back as you left? He needs reporting ASAP Angry

LagunaBubbles · 24/11/2019 19:16

Why haven't you phoned the Police?

Cherylshaw · 24/11/2019 19:27

a grow man upset your kid and put his hands on you and your husband dosnt know why you are so upset?
is he serious?

AlunWynsKnee · 24/11/2019 19:31

If you only see them together then he probably tells her that she has no friends of her own, that she drives people away etc. You see it all the time on here when women are convinced everyone thinks their DH is a great guy.

sparklefarts · 24/11/2019 19:41

He hits his kids for misbehaving. His daughter once snuck downstairs when she was meant to be in bed and he made her hold her hands out and hit them as hard as he could. In front of us. She started crying and he did it again.

You returned after this? You never reported it?

Yesmate · 24/11/2019 19:45

Jesus Christ. Report him. There are kids in the house and you have witnessed him assaulting them and now he has assaulted you. FFS do something!!!!

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