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In ending a friendship for this?

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hadromum · 24/11/2019 13:29

DH, DS and I went to a friends house last night. They have kids too.

When we went to leave the husband picked up ds (6) and tossed him around a bit to say goodbye. He didn't mean it in an unkind way but DS got upset.

I took ds in to another room to give him a cuddle, husband came in to say 'sorry' to ds but told him he needed to toughen up/man up and stop being such a baby.

He's upset ds before, made the odd comment about him being spoilt and soft. We'd not seen them for a few months the last time it happened. Clearly seeing them last night was a huge error of judgment on my part.

When he's made comments before dh and I have never said anything. He's a very domineering man. He shouts his wife and kids down constantly. He hits his kids for misbehaving. His daughter once snuck downstairs when she was meant to be in bed and he made her hold her hands out and hit them as hard as he could. In front of us. She started crying and he did it again.

Last night I'd had enough. I told him ds didn't need to man up and toughen up, he's a just turned 6 little boy. That he needed to back off and I didn't want him saying things like that anymore. He was very drunk if that makes any difference.

He started yelling at me (dh had taken ds out) and I told him he was just a bully. If people didn't agree with him he just scares them in to being quiet. And I was done with it.

So then he put his hand on my face and pushed me pretty hard and I stumbled back. I'm very ashamed to say that at that point I lost my temper completely and yelled at him. So I don't drip feed later- I've been in an abusive relationship before and rightly or wrongly that's probably why I lost my temper and yelled at him. It was absolute shock of someone (almost worse in a way as it was a friend) being psychical.

We've continued to be around them as we live close together in a remote community so are around them almost daily. There's no escaping it. And I'm really good friends with his wife.

Am I over reacting in being so upset?

And to just want to not socialise with them ever again?

He texted Dh later just 'sorry'. Typical that the misogynist felt the need to say sorry to dh and not me. I've not heard from him or his wife, I'm pretty shocked I've not had an apology from her today, not that it's her that should be apologising but if dh had done something like that I'd be reaching out. I'm guessing she's probably siding with him.

Obviously dh thinks it was terrible but he doesn't understand why I'm so upset. I'm being silly probably but it's really shaken me up. I'm in my 40s. I'm a Mum. Obviously that doesn't mean these things should happen any less to anyone but I thought those kinds of toxic and unpleasant situations were a thing of the past.

OP posts:
Elvesdontdomagic · 24/11/2019 15:13

I would have been out their lives the night I witness his DD being hit in front of me. I wouldn't want to be friends with such vile people. I'm amazed you've tolerated them so long and think you shouldn't ever see them again. If someone picked my kid up against their will I'd be saying something to them not taking my child into a spare room of THEIR house for a chat!

prawnsword · 24/11/2019 15:15

You can’t help someone who isn’t ready to accept help. If you never see her alone, you aren’t helping her much anyway. You’re just condoning the abuse. Cutting contact sends a clearer message. He is lucky you didn’t report him to the police, that is a clear assault. Your husband’s reaction is also disappointing.

Elvesdontdomagic · 24/11/2019 15:20

Just re read and read full thread. If he hit his DD with all his might then it's child abuse. Everyone's right about the need to report this man. If you can't even message his wife privately then the whole family are victims of his violence and bullying and you and your husband are mad to be socialising with this man. You aren't overeacting OP you are under reacting massively. Never allow your DS anywhere near this vile bully again.

prawnsword · 24/11/2019 15:21

Abusers don’t usually show their true ugly selves unless they think they can get away with it. I would hazard a guess your husband is so laid back this guy knew he wasn’t going to get a punch in the face after assaulting someone’s partner. Yes we should not teach boys to be tough & fight but considering that is the sentiments that creep believes, it stands to reason he has your partner pegged as a weakling.

She may find a way to contact you when she feels ready.

SheOfManyNames · 24/11/2019 15:21

He parents and disciplines his children differently to you and that's fine.
What's not okay is to threaten or shove or in any means intimidate his guests

No it's not fucking fine to hit your kids "as hard as [he] could". It's not fine for your wife and kids to be shouted at and belittled. It's worse than intimidating his guests, OP is after all an adult with the means to get away and call for help. His poor kids are stuck with him. It's not "different" parenting, it is abuse. Don't support shitty behaviour.

waytheleaveswork · 24/11/2019 15:30

OP this sounds really upsetting. How horrible.

In your shoes, I might try and be a bit creative about how I get in touch with your friend (work email? letter with typed address?) and state that for your family's safety, you cannot see them as a couple, but that you will always be there for her and she is in your thoughts.

I think it will be too stressful to maintain contact with her, but you can let her know you will be there for her in the future. If she does leave him later on down the line, she'll know she has your support and could then reach out to you if she chooses.

FixItUpChappie · 24/11/2019 15:31

He was "very drunk" despite children being in the home......pushed your face Shock, has smacked his kid in front of you before. Why the fuck would anyone even consider seeing him again? Why would you need to explain to your DH the depths of why this is not okay? Of course your not overreacting!!

I'd send my friend a text saying if she ever wants help to leave the abusive bastard she knows your number for all manner of support, but you'll never be to theirs again while he darkens their door.

LavaMagma · 24/11/2019 15:32

Obviously dh thinks it was terrible but he doesn't understand why I'm so upset.

Really...

So then he put his hand on my face and pushed me pretty hard and I stumbled back.

No it's not obvious, your DH needs to give his head a wobble. WTF really. It's obvious you would be upset!

Passthecherrycoke · 24/11/2019 15:32

What a total cunt. I would never see him again

egontoste · 24/11/2019 15:35

Your friend needs you, doesn't she? She needs all the help she can get to be rid of this man.

Aside from him shouting at your ds and then assaulting you (and I agree with others that you need to tell the police about that) your friend is clearly in an abusive, violent and extremely controlling relationship and she is in desperate need of help. She and their dc need to be protected from this despicable character, so don't abandon her to her fate.

friedbeansandcheese · 24/11/2019 15:42

Why on earth did you not say anything when he hit his dd?
Why did you carry on seeing him?
I’d report to the police and child protection services. Those poor dc. Imagine what he does to them behind closed doors if he’s happy to hit them in public.
And I’d find it very hard to forgive dh for not standing up for me or his ds. What a wimp.

Thoughtlessinengland · 24/11/2019 15:44

I’m sorry to hear about this OP. Stay safe. I’ve reported this thread to mnhq not because there’s anything at all wrong with it but because they might see if it needs a trigger warning around child abuse/assault/DV added to the title.

bullyingadvice2017 · 24/11/2019 15:45

I'd put money on him abusing his wife and kids. So I would not have my child around him ever. But if would make s effort with the wife and make it perfectly clear that people can see how he is with her and the kids and that I'm their and will help her get away.

If I could end to that I would probably report to social services, ring the school, gp maybe. They can't tell you anything but if they had concerns and you are seconding that things start to add up and hopefully they will get help.

Canadianpancake · 24/11/2019 15:46

It's not your responsibility to support his DW. The only person that can get her out of that situation is herself, which she will need to WANT to do. Approaching social services or the police won't help her situation until she wants to be helped. You need to prioritize yourself and your DS and cut all contact with this family.

Leaannb · 24/11/2019 15:55

I know this is very un PC and very American but my dh would have beat him bloody for putting a hand on me

diddl · 24/11/2019 15:58

" I'm very ashamed to say that at that point I lost my temper completely and yelled "

Why ashamed?

I'd like to think that I would have screamed "get your hands off me/stop pushing me" as loudly as I could.

He's obviously proud of being a bully-so much so that he does it to his daughter in public.

I hope that the kids can be helped.

Your husband doesn't understand that you are upset at being assaulted?

Hmm-I can maybe see why you didn't cut off contact yet.

Hope that you do now.

hadromum · 24/11/2019 16:00

If dh had touched him I have no doubt now that he could have killed dh.

I've spoken to another friend (who works at the school so they'll be made aware too) and she told me he's threatened her husband twice. Once he thought her husband had drugged him and pulled a knife on him and another time put a gun to his head. How the FUCK neither was reported to the police I don't know.

I'm sorry I didn't put a trigger warning in the title, I'll report it and ask Mumsnet hq to do that.

OP posts:
ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 24/11/2019 16:06

Someone needs to report him to the police. He's an accident waiting to happen. Can the other friend go with you and report the incidents with her DH too?
Does the wife ever go away on her own? or is she a member of a church or group that can support her? I'd worry about what he would do to her if he is called in for questioning.

Grannywanny · 24/11/2019 16:06

Please do not EVER put yourself or your son in this situation again. NO CONTACT.
Report him to police, for assault.
Imagine what his wife and children go through when no one is there.
He hit his daughter in plain sight of you.This man is very dangerous..Finish friendship immediately.

humblesims · 24/11/2019 16:08

You aren't overeacting OP you are under reacting massively
This is right. You cannot in all conscience allow those children to be in contact with that man and not report him for child abuse. You really have to. It's your duty as a mother and as a human being. I know its scary but imagine how scared those children are.

koshkat · 24/11/2019 16:18

Not sure why you were friends in the first place tbh.

Lovemusic33 · 24/11/2019 16:38

I think your crazy to stay friends with them. I know your worried about his wife but she’s putting her children at risk by staying with this piece of shit? Why put your own dc in this situation? Put yourself and your dc first and do not stay friends with them. The fact they have no other friends says it all really.

ICantSweat · 24/11/2019 16:40

Leaannb I agree. My old man would have punched him in the mouth so hard he would have had to shove his toothbrush up his own arse to clean his teeth. I would lose respect for a man that didn't do something even if not quite go that far.

messolini9 · 24/11/2019 16:42

He parents and disciplines his children differently to you and that's fine.
What part of assaulting a & terrifying a child is "fine", @Savingshoes?

What's not okay is to threaten or shove or in any means intimidate his guests.
But presumably it's "fine" to threaten, shove, & intimidate his children ... you know, what with that merely being 'different parenting'?

I would go NC with him and expect his wife to visit you without him.?
You could expect until the cows come home. OP has already said that Bully's wife isn't allowed to socialise without him.

Armadillostoes · 24/11/2019 16:42

YANBU in relation to the incident, aside from underreacting. But why on earth haven't you reported him to the police or social services for his behavior in relation to his own children? He is an abusive, violent bully and the children deserve much better from the adults around them.

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