“Coming on here whinging about women not being nice about poor men? Away to fuck!” hear hear!
Op I don’t think you’re being genuine in your “curiosity” on this matter.
But either way no I don’t think mn is overall sexist against men, I think it’s honest about how men are as a class, while also recognising without needing to be told by apologists that NAMALT.
I’ve a brother, uncles, cousins and friends who are amazing men, who are good husbands and fathers and grandfathers.
I also have a father, other uncles etc who aren’t great men, who are selfish, abusive, violent and entitled.
I’m 47 yo and I have from the age of about 9/10 dealt with harassment, abuse, discrimination and sexual assaults on a regular basis except in the last 2 years when I’ve been housebound due to mh issues partly due to these issues. Though the discrimination still applies.
I’ve dealt with everything from wolf whistles and ‘get your tits out’ to being grabbed and molested. I’ve dealt with customers refusing to speak to me because they don’t thing women should be/are capable of doing x job, i’ve had bosses who insist female staff wear short skirts and heels, and blatantly paid me less than a man doing exactly the same job (but given a nonsensically different job title to flout the law) I’ve lost out on jobs because interviewers think the same or have assumed I’d be having children/more children in the near future - and yes I know that was the case for sure because of the comments they actually made!
I’ve a nearly 19 yo dd who’s sadly had a not too dissimilar life experience despite my best efforts to protect her. She didn’t have my same childhood experiences because I was very protective, as a child there were fewer than 5 men I was comfortable leaving her with and that included her dad who knew my history and understood my concerns.
I could protect her at home, and when she was younger when outside the home, I couldn’t protect her at school from the bra pinging or the skirt lifting or the taking of her Sanpro from her bag and flung around, or when she got older and started working part time, just in a corner shop, or when she got older again and as many late teens do started going out on nights out and to concerts etc I couldn’t protect her from the catcalls, insults, grab assing, unwanted kisses, upskirting, and worse. I listened and comforted, told her I’d fully support her if she wanted to report to police in the case of the more serious assaults (which she declined, and I can’t say as I blame her! The perpetrators were either strangers and the assaults occurred without witnesses or cctv, or they were known to her but quite honestly have locally ‘powerful’ parents/family and are known for such behaviour but even when its been reported they have never been charged let alone prosecuted because their parents/family pull strings) plus lets be honest we ALL see how victims of sexual harassment and assault by the police and cps, even IF the police take you seriously and charge them the victim is put on trial, the victim loses friends and status and good reputation.
I’ve seen women in my friends and family have very similar life experiences, out of all the ones i know well enough to discuss this with/are open people which is well over 100 women, there are fewer than half a dozen who have NEVER experienced a serious sexual assault, and these are women from all walks of life.
I don’t know ANY woman that has NEVER experienced ANY assault, harassment or discrimination. None.
I sadly know a few men who were also victims of csa or sexual assault so I’m well aware it can happen to them too, but the perpetrators were men. I also know a few men who were/are lone parents and their exes who were/are Nrp and who have behaved just as badly as many men who are Nrps do.
I never condone violence, and I read each thread anew. And I try to bear in mind that most ops are posting from a naturally biased perspective and there’s 2 sides to every story.
BUT I have also frequently seen posters like the op and similar saying things like “a poster was told to Ltb JUST because the dh didn’t do the dishes” when I’ve actually read, possibly even posted on the thread being “quoted” and there is usually FAR more to it than the trivial issues being referenced.
Women were and are oppressed, victimised and murdered by men on a grand scale the whole world over.
Until that changes, which is highly unlikely to happen any time soon, I reserve the right to view men cautiously to recognise that they have immense privilege and as a class are ridiculously entitled.
“I read the thread that has led you to create this one. You were very very keen to allow men access to single sex spaces. You were disingenuous throughout the thread, and then brought out the faux naievity towards the end, then started this thread to get the man pleasers on your side” me too. I too am starting to wonder what ops true sex is.
“Locked doors and adequate security” please tell us how that will prevent secret filming? What level of “adequate” security would majorly prevent harassment and assaults? As was said on the thread the most sensible and practical way of massively minimising the risk to girls and women is to keep sex segregation in places like changing rooms.
You also refused to even acknowledge let alone address the rights of girls and women to have privacy and dignity in such circumstances.