to suggest that Mumsnet is quite sexist against men?

[Eckhart]

I don't know if it's just the threads I've been on. I don't know how many men use Mumsnet.

Sexism either way makes me equally uncomfortable. How do other Mumsnet users feel about this?

Nope. Definitely won’t mention bitter lesbians. There are a subset of women here who are so incredibly anti-men you can spot them a mile off. Most on the other hand aren’t which is what I went on to say.

I don't think men would care about any sexism on MN, its not reflected irl so not to worry OP.

Eckhart, those of us on the other thread with you saw right through you on there too.

One poster said you were very keen on trying to get penises into female spaces. That sums it up for me.

CaveMum said 'What about women who are survivors of abuse and find themselves having panic attacks when in close quarters with an unknown male'

You replied: 'I have sympathy for them. But there are lots of things in society that lots of people can't handle, we cannot structure our world around these unfortunate incidences. or women whose religions forbid them from sharing space with males they are not related to? How do they get through the shop to get to the changing room at all? Not even a curtain between them and the men in the rest of the world.'

Numerous other breathtaking responses from you, but that was just one lowlight.

Amazing how many women will say a poster is a man if they offer an opinion that doesn't follow the narrative they want to hear.

Fuckedfamily.. your post are increasingly irrational.

There are a subset of women here who are so incredibly anti-men you can spot them a mile off.

Now I’m just laughing at your desperation. 🤣

There are a subset of women here who are so incredibly anti-men you can spot them a mile off

Your radar is off. Once again for those at the back, pro-women isn’t anti-men.

No, JacquesHammer, I'm saying what you said, because I believe you. 74% men, 26% women. Then I'm saying that a quarter is a statistic worth considering.

I don't think we need to have separate changing rooms for m/f because some people are predatory.

Quote from the OP.

This really looks like cocks in women's changing rooms to me.

Fuckedfamily.. your post are increasingly irrational.

I suppose that marginally better than the usual ‘hysterical’ that gets thrown at women. 🤷‍♀️

For everyone saying how hypocritical MN is, unless the self-same posters are posting one thing to men and one thing to women, it isn’t. It is a group of unique individuals, all of whom have their own opinions

Yep

Then I'm saying that a quarter is a statistic worth considering

In what context? As a general consideration for violent crime then the stats as a whole are important. If we’re discussing violent crime by men, less so.

Are we saying we don’t need to deal with men as a class in terms of violent crime? (You do know that also includes male victims right?) Because it’s all just a bit “what about the men”.

@HandsOffMyRights I know there's a few people who have the same erroneous view of my point, yes. I don't want cocks in women's spaces. I'll just copy and paste a post from earlier because it's really tedious typing the same thing over and over for people who refuse to listen:

'@APerkyPumpkin I spent days trying to get locked doors and adequate security between individuals so that nobody's cock or anything else could intrude on anybody else's private space. Can't believe I'm having to say it again.

Want it again? Locked doors and adequate security.
Again? Locked doors and adequate security.
Are you starting to get an idea of my agenda yet?
It's 'Locked doors and adequate security'.

For anybody else who's unsure of my agenda, please check out my previous thread.'

A cock can't get past a locked door with adequate security, because the security is adequate.

I was on the previous thread and saw that people were pushing back that you were stating your opinion from an idealised outcome (locker doors, better security, safer spaces) but those who disagreed were coming from the perspective that the changes you were proposing, haven’t been made in many of the places where mixed sex changing facilities have recently been introduced, therefore they felt your opinion wasn’t tackling the here and now.

I think you were correct, in an ideal circumstance if we have to accept mixed sex spaces like this, the added security measures you were suggesting would be better for all. However, this will not completely resolve one very simple point, why should women have to agree to mixed sex facilities?

In terms of Mumsnet being sexist towards men, maybe some posters are - we can’t say they don’t exist because there is such a large number of users on this site, but to try and point it out as being a ‘hive mind’ and that the whole site, therefore the whole population of users are inherently sexist towards men, seems quite goady, especially when posted in AIBU.

I’m not sexist towards men, I love my DH who is a good and honest man, I love my Step Father for taking me in and being a much better figure than my biological father, I love my late Grandfather who by all estimations was a sexist man, but he still managed to raise me from a young age to be resilient, strong and determined. I don’t have an issue with men on the street, but then I will still point out that statistically, Men as a class are far more dangerous to women than other women.

That doesn’t mean women can’t be violent, predatory or anything else and it doesn’t mean that all men are arseholes with only personal gain directing their lives, it’s just a statistic that cannot and should not be ignored when changes are being made rapidly that seem to disregard the very real experiences of a huge number of women.

I don’t really care if you think I’m anti-woman. If you choose not to see it then it’s totally up to you. Some of the perspectives on here are fascinating to read as they are so unlike mine or any of my female friends and family. Yes I am actually female.

Just because I share the same genitalia as someone doesn’t mean that I need to agree with them.

Saying that - If the OP is a trans activist then I in no way support his/ her position and and appalled with the move to confuse gender and sex. Fully supportive of female only spaces and protection for females from male violence (regardless of what gender someone is claiming to be)

Now on this thread the OP is getting ready to argue that male pattern violence is really a women's problem because women are violent too. But there is no agenda in this thread at all...

There was a much more knowledgeable poster on here who shared how stats on violence are compiled. They said something like:
Man batters woman in an abusive relationship for months, woman reports after an incident = one incident of violence on the male tally
Man is abusive and batters his partner and she violently responds, he reports it = one incident of violence on the female tally

I can't remember who shared it but it was very interesting.

Put it this way OP, I'm fairly willing to point out the double standards where they exist, but this thread about some anti men conspiracy is absolutely bollocks.

This site is a hotbed of bigotry against men. There are hundreds of overtly sexist posts per day. There is no other group against whom this is tolerated and Mumsnet Towers has a case to answer.

. Sorry but you have overplayed your hand. Case to answer. Pissing myself.

Why do you constantly go on about cocks in female spaces? Females don’t have cocks, so I assume you mean men, even if they no longer have a cock.

I disagree with the premise that the advice wildly differs depending on the perceived sex of the poster. I see it claimed time and time again but it's not a trend I've noticed.

Put it this way, LolaSmiles. You can't tell a person what they're thinking.

The statistic was given to me by a poster a few posts up. I was surprised actually, I thought violence would be more than 74% male perpetrators.

If you think the thread is bollocks, you have support.
I think the thread is not bollocks, and I have support too.

This site is a hotbed of bigotry against men. There are hundreds of overtly sexist posts per day.

Women, be nice.

There is no other group against whom this is tolerated and Mumsnet Towers has a case to answer.. Except for women who are constantly being told to move over and let men, not only into female spaces/rolls, but make sure you centre them. The poor men. Holy fuck! I’m sure even the men that posted earlier in support of Mumsnet are cringing at your last comment. 🤣

Case to answer

This site is a hotbed of bigotry against men

Op I agree with you. So far I've seen threads where apparently it's ok for women to cheat on their husbands because he probably drove her to it, a thread where a woman flirted and then kissed another man in front of her dp told that what she did wasn't that bad, women whose DH doesn't want sex told to leave, she's worth more while men who post that their wife has gone off sex given a huge list of all the things that he needs to do to show her what a goddess she is but that he just have to accept a celibate life and anything less than that means he's a monster.

Men are berated for not doing half of the housework, even if they work full time 6 days a week and the wife is a SAHM, told to give equal access to wages yet women are told to keep separate finances and that their DH is a cocklodger if they don't earn at least as much as the wife.

The best one today is a thread with parents stating that they hope their daughters grow up to be lesbians and that any women who disagree can't be feminists, because men are abusive and a danger to women.

Should we make some banners. Save Justine. Free the Mumsnet one.