to suggest that Mumsnet is quite sexist against men?

[Eckhart]

I don't know if it's just the threads I've been on. I don't know how many men use Mumsnet.

Sexism either way makes me equally uncomfortable. How do other Mumsnet users feel about this?

We need to stop being selfish and do more for grown men.

We could start with our young sons couldn't we? Raise them to be able to talk about their feelings, show when they're upset rather than each them that boys don't cry.

That's a start.

Dear God yes I understood it. When people talk about women's place and mens place it is never ever good for women.

Not in your interpretation, no, because you are perpetuating the prejudice. The poster who said it was suggesting that men and women have different but equally valuable strengths. You're the one interpreting it with misogyny.

Have you read your post. It blames women for mens suicide.

The post that should say.

What on earth are you talking about, Grey? Another poster got on to the subject of male suicide and said that the rates are higher because of women 'tearing them down'. Since we were on the subject of male suicide, I gave one reason as to why attempts are more successful in males. PP posted a link whereas I didn't so rather than link again, I said 'see PP's link', as you expressed offence at my pointing a fact out.
How mentioning one fact belittles and dismisses, I have no idea. Sorry you feel that way.

Yes, Hear I raise my sons that way, the same as my daughter actually. It's healthy to express emotion and the rest.
But the onus should not be on women to teach these things.

No it doesn't. It says that if men had 'a status which was not deliberately torn down by women who think they are hard-done-by that this figure might be less?'

There's plenty on this thread tearing down men and proud of it.

But the onus should not be on women to teach these things.

The onus should be on the parents to teach these things, of which the mother is 1. So she is as responsible as the father for teaching it.

You however claimed that it isn't women's responsibility, at all.

You are being ridiculous, Hear. The onus shouldn't be on women EXCLUSIVELY, like the poster claimed. God, you really do need everything spelling out don't you. Not that I don't believe you're being deliberately obtuse.

So if women behaved differently the suicide rate would drop.

Isn't it funny Sagradafamiliar how when you are pulled up on a post you get all faux outraged and declare that it's us misreading what you meant and that of course that our.points go without saying which is why you didn't say it. Rather than, we've caught you out.

Who is 'us' and 'we've'?

The people.that you appear to be accusing of not being able to comprehend what you are saying.

I'm glad I started this thread, it's been fascinating all evening. Such a range of views.

And what have I been caught out on?

birds it's madness isn't it. It's been clearly implied that unless women modify our behaviour, we are responsible for the deaths of men. Like men are responsible for the weekly murders of women. Fuck that though, we need to concentrate on the good'uns so they feel great about themselves and also come up with ways to stop men dying by suicide.

Don't reply to my last question actually, please, Hear. I'm not that interested in humouring you any further so won't be engaging with you.

I think the idea is to treat each other with respect, so that less people are suicidal. Rather than 'save the poor men, sod the women'.

It's not about praising them or being patronising. It's about being taking people as you find them, men and women.

I don't think I said that we should disregard women who are good mums and are decent human beings did I? I didn't mention rape or murder or cleaning up, or goals. It's not about what you do, it's about who you are. You could do all those things and still be a very abusive unpleasant human being.

Yes my boyfriend would be deeply insulted if i said 'well done for not being a rapist'. Its ludicrous and you were being glib and know that's not what I was saying.

For context, I picked some right abusive fuck heads in my early twenties (I'm now 32) I made the decision to not enter into a relationship until I had been single for a considerable period of years. I am so glad I did that. If I hadn't done that, I'd be lurching from one idiot to another and have this worldview that only saw things from my point of view and I'd be stuck in a victim mentality. It took many years to get here and I'm definitely not about patronising or fawning over men.

Yes we should absolutely call out crime and imbalances of power and privilege where they exist. I'm talking about a tendency to lump then all together and projecting our deep wounds and trauma onto everything and everyone.

Yes of course the responsibility, the choices ultimately lie with men as adults. But by acting like we have no influence, we are just staying in victim mentality.

I don't give abusive men my time or attention now. I focus it elsewhere. We have choices. We can choose to recognise the good where it exists and reject the bad.

I'm a man. I was asked to post on a thread by my wife as my professional opinion could have really helped a poster. I stayed because I like people and opinions, I dont really consider whether I'm welcome as a man or not (it's not the M&s changing rooms ffs). Some men are arseholes, I've met many, unfortunately so have many of the women on here.

However if I see LTB more than 3 times in a thread I depart, that's the sign of the witches calling !

Don't reply to my last question actually, please, Hear. I'm not that interested in humouring you any further so won't be engaging with you.

Then don't ask me questions or tag me in your posts. You don't control who posts on threads not what comments they reply to. You certainly don't control what I say.

I just didn't want you wasting your time writing a reply, as I already know that I haven't been 'caught out' regarding anything. Anyway, thank you for not responding to the question as I requested

D'you like the last word, Sagrada?

YANBU

I agree OP.
I hate the way men are spoken about on here. God knows how any of these women are married or actually have a bloke at home. No wonder there are so many affair threads. I would be looking for a way out from these women too if I was a man and this is how they felt.

I am so so thankful for my other half. We don’t share finances, he plays his games almost every single night for hours, he stresses the absolutely shite out of me, but I wouldn’t be with anyone else. He is extremely caring, always puts me first, has nothing but niceties to say about me in front of family and friends and he does the washing up lol. I couldn’t ask for a better man. But half of mumsnet have told me to LTB under a different username.

It’s mental. Mumsnet have all this no slandering rule malarkey but apparently it doesn’t apply when it comes to men