to suggest that Mumsnet is quite sexist against men?

[Eckhart]

I don't know if it's just the threads I've been on. I don't know how many men use Mumsnet.

Sexism either way makes me equally uncomfortable. How do other Mumsnet users feel about this?

Hear oh yes, that's right. He didn't physically injure her until after she was kissed by the man she dared speak to at the bar. Yes, only actual violence counts. Of course.

And don't try signposting me elsewhere to seek advice on use of language. I'm a regular over on Feminism, being a feminist. You saw 'slag' and pounced, not taking into account the meaning and context of the full phrase used. You can't school me on this one, I'm afraid.

I agree. Lots of women on here saying that men can look after themselves or are fine but are they ignorant enough to not realise that male suicide overtakes women's? Perhaps if men had a place in this world, as in a status which was not deliberately torn down by women who think they are hard-done-by that this figure might be less?

Women have it better than men in plenty of places. But of course they want to be better in every aspect of life.

I just think women have a place and skills that men do not and vice versa. Stop competing for who is better all of the time! Pick your battles. (Like equal pay which of course should be the same regardless of gender.)

Have a look on the relationship board?

Maybe when I've got more time. Usually I get my threads from 'Active' though so I do get a good overview of the different boards and I've not come across one that matches your description, so they can't be all that common.

@Deathgrip Brilliant

Yes Roly, you're right. That was the point I was originally trying to make, before being compelled to defend the OP in question, since she was being talked about anyway.

Female sterilisation. Remembering, of course, that in a relationship between a couple who want to have child-free sex, contraception is everyone's responsibility and the couple ought to weigh up all options with their comparative risks for the couple as a unit.

Disagree completely. You don't get to make decisions about another person's body, based on comparative risks for the couple as a unit.

Maybe it's much better for the couple as a unit to not continue with a pregnancy. Should the woman acquiesce for the good of the unit?

Each individual decides what they choose to do with their own bodies. If the consequence of that is they don't have sex, then that's the result but you don't over ride one partners right to bodily autonomy based on the risks for the couple as a unit.

Would you argue the reverse if the man couldn't have a vasectomy on medical grounds, or if a medical condition made his risk much higher? You'd then argue that the woman should be sterilised as her duty to the unit?

Well said, Sorrywhat.

Now: duck.

Sorry so men kill themselves because of women?
Suicide rates are higher for men because they choose more violent, lethal methods. There are other reasons which I was reading up on recently in research which I won't touch upon for fear of being a man- hater.

Woman have a place. Theres never one ounce of subtlety .

Being called a man hater* what an unfortunate omission!

@Sorrywhat so women are responsible for Male suicide? and Male suicide does not take over female suicide at all - in fact women are three times more likely to attempt suicide. Men succeed more often because they're more likely to make violent attempts www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508

birdsdestiny and not an ounce of you reading the full sentence either. It says and vice versa, ie, and men have a place.

Make sense.

Women have it better than men in plenty of places. But of course they want to be better in every aspect of life.

The only place I can think of where women might have it better than men is if we were on a sinking ship and it was 'women and children first' for the lifeboats.

I don't think women do want to be better than men, just treated with respect. But it's an interesting statement anyway because I'm always confused as to why men insisting they must be better than women, as has happened throughout history, is something that women are meant to accept and even welcome. Whereas the very idea that women might feel superior to men is viewed as harmful.

Why is that?

It's like all the constant outrage at young girls leaving school with better exam results than young boys. That's a crisis. But when boys outperform girls it's how it should be.

@GunpowderGelatine That's a really interesting article, and an education to me.

Suicide rates are higher for men because they choose more violent, lethal methods

Wow, Sagradafamiliar are you seriously minimising and disregarding suicide rates? It doesn't matter if the stats are about men or women, that was an incredibly insensitive thing to say.

So not only is it a woman's role to big up decent, normal behaviour in men to raise them out of toxic masculinity, it's also our job to sort out male suicide rates by somehow completely controlling any responsibility men have for themselves. It is all down to us. I thought infantilising men to this extent was sexist, but hey ho.

No, grey, see Gunpowder's link.

Would you argue the reverse if the man couldn't have a vasectomy on medical grounds, or if a medical condition made his risk much higher? You'd then argue that the woman should be sterilised as her duty to the unit?

My point was that most men (I would hope), would consider the risk to their partner of a female sterilisation in their decision making process if choosing between male and female sterilisation, for argument's sake. I was aiming to head off the counter-argument I saw coming that 'risks of female sterilisation aren't a risk to the male' by pointing out that, in a loving relationship, they are.

Actually eckhart I read it all. And for you to lecture me on not reading when you refused to read a post about the abuse experienced by a poster is breathtaking. I believe there's a term for that.

And don't try signposting me elsewhere to seek advice on use of language. I'm a regular over on Feminism, being a feminist. You saw 'slag' and pounced, not taking into account the meaning and context of the full phrase used. You can't school me on this one, I'm afraid.

Nope, I saw "slagging off" which is misogynistic I'm afraid.

I actually censored myself from giving other reasons because of people like yourself grey who make a sport out of twisting information.

Anyway, in regards to male suicide specifically, I have seen many awareness campaigns in the last couple of years, geared specifically towards men on platforms from social media, reality tv shows, magazine articles and posters at the doctor's. So that's something. But no, is women need to be doing more as it's all our fault. We don't have our own mental health issues, suicide attempts, family to care for, etc. We need to stop being selfish and do more for grown men.

Oh are you still disagreeing with me, Hear? Oh well.

Yes, Sagradafamiliar I saw that and I've seen it before. You really don't need to signpost me to other posters when I was directing my post at you.
Just because some articles claim the rate is higher because men actually commit suicide compared to women attempting it doesn't mean it should be belittled and brushed off as you have done. If you take a woman attempting suicide seriously, then you should take a man committing it just as seriously. It should be about a person suffering, not about what sex they are.
Like I said, your post is incredibly insensitive and shows exactly the kind of sexism that exists on Mumsnet in quite a dark way.

My point was that most men (I would hope), would consider the risk to their partner of a female sterilisation in their decision making process if choosing between male and female sterilisation, for argument's sake. I was aiming to head off the counter-argument I saw coming that 'risks of female sterilisation aren't a risk to the male' by pointing out that, in a loving relationship, they are.

What are the risks of serious complications for female sterilisation? Are they higher than 10%?

And the issue is that rarely in these discussions is the choice between female or male sterilisation. Its usually between contraception (temporary) and vasectomy (permanent).

It's perfectly acceptable for any woman 5o say they don't want to use female contraceptives any more/at all but it's not fine to then say the man must have a vasectomy.

@birdsdestiny so you just didn't understand it, then? Or you just chose the bit you wanted and dismissed the rest? There's a phrase for that: 'doing what you're accusing Eckhart of doing.'

What was the term you had for what I did? Or are you just sticking with the passive aggressive approach, rather than saying what you mean?