to suggest that Mumsnet is quite sexist against men?

[Eckhart]

I don't know if it's just the threads I've been on. I don't know how many men use Mumsnet.

Sexism either way makes me equally uncomfortable. How do other Mumsnet users feel about this?

Yep I was. Sits alongside bitchy and hysterical as also being misogynistic.

Pop onto feminism board and ask their opinion on it. Sure you'll have your arse handed to you on there for saying it.

Its not sexist to acknowledge that male privilege means that overall men tend to behave certain ways or get away with certain things far more often than women. Nor is it sexist to point out when a man's behaviour, considered perfectly acceptable by that man and often by wider friends/family/society, is not good behaviour.

The only "sexism" against men I see I'd when women come on saying, "oh men just don't think that way/men dont see mess/men are more focused" or whatever bullshit rather than acknowledging that men are as impacted by society negatively too. Doesn't change the fact however that for men, most of these are not seen as negatives.

10% risk of serious, long term complications isn't low risk in my book.

PP said lower risk, not low risk.

Some people just can't stand to see others being empowered and want to knock them back down and remember their mistakes, however comparatively small, it would seem.

So, a man who kisses another woman should be empowered too then? Is that only comparatively small? Or is it only small if it's a woman who does it?

No it fucking well doesn't, hear and you know it. Nice try though, you're really clutching at straws.

Hear she is being empowered (hopefully) to leave an abusive arsehole! Are you deliberately taking things out of context? Oh yes. Yes, you are.

Its true that if you dare have a different opinion than the majority mumsnet posters will assume you are a man which is quite sexist in itself and just contributes to the hive mind theory. MN definitely has an issue with double standard and sweeping generalisations about men as a group.

I'm laughing at those who think a public internet forum is some kind of "safe space" for women.

PP said lower risk, not low risk.

Lower risk than what though? And lower risk isn't no risk and vasectomy is permanent so no man should be co erced, forced, bullied "convinced" to have it done. The only person with a right to judge if it's low/lower/acceptable risk is the individual man.

Same as only the individual woman should decide what contraception she chooses/whether she wants to have a child/whether she wants a termination or not.

Eckhart
It's not unpleasant to wonder if a poster who has recently been quite dismissive of women's concerns starts a thread saying "MN hates men" is really entering into a debate in good faith.

In fact, it's really no different to when many posters question OPs about whether they're seeking advice Vs validation, whether they have any intention of considering other views or asking AIBU before arguing against everyone who gives advice (and then doing the same thing you've just done of taking any challenge to their views as proof that MN is mean).

The "you're being unpleasant" in this case is just another way of rehashing "don't challenge me... Oh you did... See! See! MN is full of mean women who hate men".

No it fucking well doesn't, hear and you know it. Nice try though, you're really clutching at straws.

What doesn't? What are you referring to?

To clarify, hear, being kissed whilst drunk and not immediately reacting by stopping it, is comparatively small in a relationship full of advantage taking and downright abuse, and violence.

No, their wives come on and complain about no sex as DH has ED, low testosterone or has gone off sex but works 60 hours a week. They are always told that if he doesn't go to the Dr to get investigated and treated then he is selfish and she should ltb.

I've not seen this happen. Any recent ones I could find?

Its true that if you dare have a different opinion than the majority mumsnet posters will assume you are a man which is quite sexist in itself and just contributes to the hive mind theory. MN definitely has an issue with double standard and sweeping generalisations about men as a group.

Absolutely.

Hear, gosh you really do have reading comprehension issues. I was referring to you saying 'slagging off' sits alongside misogynistic terms such as 'hysterical' and 'bitch'. Again, no it fucking doesn't. 'Slag' does, but I would never use that in any context as it is abhorrent.

So, a man who kisses another woman should be empowered too then? Is that only comparatively small?

Yes, if the woman then goes on to hit the guy with a glass, take his wallet, lock him out and cut up his credit cards then the kiss was comparatively small and he should be empowered to leave the relationship. Obviously.

Its true that if you dare have a different opinion than the majority mumsnet posters will assume you are a man which is quite sexist in itself and just contributes to the hive mind theory
Not true at all.
I've had some respectful disagreements on a number of threads, some heated ones too. I also have had interesting discussions on the feminist boards with posters who hold different views to me.
Nobody has accused me of being a man.

Now if a poster happened to turn up on threads and display mansplaining behaviour, or spout usual MRA type nonsense, or tell women they need to be a bit nicer to the men because they're the real sexists etc then yes, I've seen posters wonder about the sex of the poster, but not for disagreeing and debating.

To clarify, hear, being kissed whilst drunk and not immediately reacting by stopping it, is comparatively small in a relationship full of advantage taking and downright abuse, and violence.

A) they flirted for an hour at the bar before she went outside, where he was, and they kissed. Why are you making it out like she was taken advantage of?

B)downright abuse and violence? He sounds like a shit partner, strung her along about marriage and is very untidy around the house. Is that abuse? The violence appears (certainly from what we were told) to have started only after the kissing. So she didn't kiss a man because she's been in a violent relationship, as you're trying to pretend.

Lower risk than what though?

Female sterilisation. Remembering, of course, that in a relationship between a couple who want to have child-free sex, contraception is everyone's responsibility and the couple ought to weigh up all options with their comparative risks for the couple as a unit.

Bloke here. Never found it sexist. However, as a Boomer I have found it more than a little ageist!

Hear, gosh you really do have reading comprehension issues. I was referring to you saying 'slagging off' sits alongside misogynistic terms such as 'hysterical' and 'bitch'. Again, no it fucking doesn't. 'Slag' does, but I would never use that in any context as it is abhorrent.

Slagging off would fall into the same category as bitching, which is misogynistic. Maybe it's you who has comprehension difficulties.

Do pop onto the FWR board though and ask for their opinion.

Right, stop the argument about the OP on the other thread now, it's spectacularly insensitive and the argument has become circular.

I've not seen this happen. Any recent ones I could find?

Have a look on the relationship board?

Has anyone coined NAMNALT yet? 13 pages in, it must have happened...

Never found it sexist. However, as a Boomer I have found it more than a little ageist!

Agree.

@LolaSmiles You fascinate me.