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To want Primark to provide a women only changing room?

366 replies

Amelia1985x · 16/11/2019 15:22

I’m a regular Primark customer and was surprised to go the store yesterday and find all the changing rooms had been redesignated as mixed sex. The shop assistant told me not to worry, because most customers on the ladies’ floor were women, and anyway, she could see down the line of curtained cubicles and would challenge a “dodgy man”. When I questioned her about how she would spot one, she called the Manager as he could explain the policy better.

He told me the world was changing. I asked him why Primark had had sex segregated changing rooms in the first place. No answer. I asked him what specific legislative change or scientific discovery had occurred that made the world different to this time last year. No answer. He said that this arrangement was more inclusive for nonbinary people.

I explained that I didn’t feel that comfortable stripping to my knickers in a mixed area, and he told me I could always use the one disabled cubicle which has a lockable door. Clearly this has been designed for mixed sex use and did have a lock, but obviously I would then be blocking its use for a disabled person. He suggested there was no reason to be concerned. Yet when I think about me and my women friends, all our me-too moments, - of being flashed at, or masturbated at, sexual assaults and rapes – all have been my men.

The manager was unabashed. He said Primark had done research – even though he couldn’t produce it, and there were no leaflets or posters to explain this HUGE policy change to customers. He told me I was the only person who had ever complained.

So I guess this is what I want to know. Am I a dinosaur? Am I being unreasonable to want a women only changing room?

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/11/2019 20:01

Oh they won’t like that - ‘elf and safety and all that...ohhhhhhhhhhhh

Zeldetta · 16/11/2019 20:08

I don’t mind trans women using women’s changing rooms but I don’t feel comfortable using mixed sex. I’m sure most of the men there aren’t going to assault me, but I just don’t feel comfortable. Mock if you like. I’ve been raped and I can’t help feeling vulnerable getting undressed with only a curtain between me and unknown men.

thenightsky · 16/11/2019 20:10

So if you can now go in the changing room you 'feel most comfortable with', I'll go in the men's as I suspect all the pervs will be living it up in the women's. Decent men will still be in the men's, so I should be safest there.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 16/11/2019 20:10

Why should the rules change? Stores do nothing they don’t have to or anything that will cost them. What’s the deal here?

Siameasy · 16/11/2019 20:12

If trans women are using women’s changing rooms then those changing rooms are actually mixed sex by stealth though Zeldetta. Because what is the sex of a trans woman?
You do not have to apologise for wanting privacy and dignity and same sex facilities provide that, they are completely lawful and women need them.

Obviouslynotobvious · 16/11/2019 20:14

Yes I wonder what prompted this. I don't want to be half naked where a man can just walk in on me behind a curtain.

Fruityb · 16/11/2019 20:18

Does nowhere have a changing village at their swimming pool? I’m not defending any position but I’m just asking?

Locked cubicle yes - curtain definitely not.

Obviouslynotobvious · 16/11/2019 20:20

Yes my pool has a changing village. But all the cubicles are lockable. There are no benches that are communal or curtains. And the showers are individual and lockable too.

Jojoanna · 16/11/2019 20:20

But why can’t we have women’s only changing rooms ??

pooboobsleeprepeat · 16/11/2019 20:21

Sooo clothes made by child slaves is fine but same sex changing rooms you have an issue with?

Uncompromisingwoman · 16/11/2019 20:24

Jojanna
The answer is that men don't like it: and women may not have safe sex segregated spaces as this offends some men.

APerkyPumpkin · 16/11/2019 20:26

Really can’t see the problem. I genuinely believe some of the posters here deliberately look to be offended

Men. They are the problem.

Eckhart · 16/11/2019 20:29

@notnowmaybelater Regardless of this specific issue, anyone who's response to someone being uncomfortable or worried about something is "I can't see the issue," "I don't understand the problem" or "it's a non issue" is effectively just posting "I have no empathy" aren't they?
No to the first two. Yes to 'it's a non issue'

@thenightsky That's brilliant about the men's being the safest place!

Eckhart · 16/11/2019 20:31

@APerkyPumpkin Men. They are the problem. Blatant, out and out sexism. Sexual predators are the problem. Why do people think it's ok to treat all men as if they are sexual predators?

Jojoanna · 16/11/2019 20:33

I see . So have a men’s changing room, one for trans and a women’s changing room

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PaperFlowers4 · 16/11/2019 20:43

@Eckhart What about women who are survivors of abuse and find themselves having panic attacks when in close quarters with an unknown make ... I have sympathy for them. But there are lots of things in society that lots of people can't handle, we cannot structure our world around these unfortunate incidences

So we can’t structure our world around the millions of women who have experienced rape, sexual assault and harassment, but we are expected to re-structure the world around the tiny minority of people who consider themselves trans and non binary by making all the toilets and changing rooms a free-for-all?

MotherAbigail · 16/11/2019 20:44

@Eckhart I don’t have a problem with men, they come in handy generally. But if you don’t think that people (Men)will take the piss with these mixed sex changing areas, then you’re very naive. I’m pretty sure that a lot of women will be made to stop shopping at these places for religious or cultural reasons, as will women who are just bloody pissed off at being told their feelings and wants don’t matter.

Siameasy · 16/11/2019 20:44

Sexual predators are the problem. Why do people think it's ok to treat all men as if they are sexual predators?

Men as a class commit most sexual assaults and all rapes. Since no one can tell by looking who is a good guy and who isn’t all men must be excluded from places where females are vulnerable. My DH gets this, it’s for the greater good.

Similarly all adults are DBS checked before working with kids. Are all adults predators, no? Do normal adults accept this is necessary without becoming offended, yes

TARSCOUT · 16/11/2019 20:48

I don't care about mixed so long as lockble doors and not curtains or if curtain supervised by adult employees, not junior staff. DH oil not use mixed ever.

Eckhart · 16/11/2019 20:58

@PaperFlowers4 Yes, we support the millions of women who have experienced rape, sexual assault and harassment by changing levels of security, and providing lockable doors. Not by prejudging all men.
@Siameasy DBS checks are the sort of adequate security I'm talking about. The equivalent to the defensiveness on this thread would be to not let any adults near children at all, just in case they are predatory.

Eckhart · 16/11/2019 21:01

@MotherAbigail I don’t have a problem with men, they come in handy generally.

More blatant sexism. If a man said that about a woman, Mumsnet would have him hung, drawn and quartered. Upside down.

strawberrieshortcake · 16/11/2019 21:04

This is a genuine question. Korea is no where near as progressive as the UK with trans/ non-binary etc. From what I have heard with these hidden camera cases, it comes from men sneaking into women’s only changing rooms and bathrooms and installing the cameras or is it happening in mixed changing rooms and I am misinformed??

Wintersleep · 16/11/2019 21:17

I order everything online now and send it back if it doesn't fit, it's so easy to do now as most places let you book a free hermes collection from your house if you need to return. I don't want to be stripping down in a curtained changing room nowadays that's for sure...