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In-laws coming for 6 days after Xmas. Again.

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MaryEli · 14/11/2019 16:42

Apologies that this is so long. I need to vent.

OH is from another European country and we see his parents, who live in his home country, 5 or 6 times a year, including staying with them for a week or two in the summer. They are in their late 60s/early 70s. We have a 3-year-old DC. We lived with PIL from when DC was 9 to 20 months old, so they got to spend a great deal of time with DC and they developed a special bond which I am pleased about.

Before I met him, OH was actually estranged from his DP for around 15 years. This will be the sixth consecutive year that they have spent time with their son over the Xmas period after he resumed contact with them.

My DP live in the same town as us and we see them once or twice a month, but not normally for very long. Last year we did not see them at all over Christmas. DF has been diagnosed with a long-term illness and this year we have decided to invite my parents for Xmas Day, along with my grandmother, who is 97. They are really touched we have asked them and I want to make it special for them.

OH is very in demand by his employer throughout November and December (working 7-day weeks) and does not currently know which days he can get off over Xmas other than the bank holidays. Because of the nature of OH’s job, I run the home and do pretty much all of the admin and childcare when DC is not at nursery. I also work full time. I do not have a weekend and am always shattered, but particularly so at the end of the year. I have been working from home for the past few months and managing household stuff during breaks but will be starting a new full-time office job at the start of December and will no doubt be more tired than usual.

Last year, OH’s parents came to stay with us from 27 Dec to 2 Jan, leaving on the morning I went back to work. We lived in a very small flat not much bigger than a studio with one main living area /kitchen, where PIL slept. It was very cramped and after 6 days I had more than had enough of us all being piled up like sardines. DP afterwards reassured me that we would put our foot down next time and not have them to stay for so long. Claiming that MIL gets ill every time she flies because she came down with a really nasty cold once, they had insisted on driving to see us (it’s several hundred km so more than a day each way) and taking the ferry.

I am off work for the days between Xmas and New Year because DC’s nursery will be closed. I would relish the chance of a bit of rest (as much as is possible with a 3-year-old in tow) between Xmas and and going back to work, but lo and behold OH has informed me that PIL are once again coming to stay with us from 27 Dec to 2 Jan (i.e. 6 nights and 6 full days), leaving once again on the morning I return to work.

To arrange this, OH and his parents have had discussions on the phone, always when OH is not home so I am not privy to what has been said. Just like last year, it has transpired that they will be driving and taking the ferry. I am totally convinced that they do this in order to stay for longer, because they need time to get over the journey and it would be too much to head back after 3 days. They need help with the internet so OH books their travel for them, which means he does have an element of control, but in spite of this he always ends up agreeing to the dates that suit PIL. They are not retired and return to work on 4 Jan so basically come to us for all of the spare time they have. They would come on Boxing Day if we let them but we have at least managed to convince them that we need our space then.

Last year we were in the same situation, both in full-time jobs. We went to my grandmother’s from Xmas Eve to Boxing Day and returned home on 27 Dec late morning. PIL were due that evening but showed up during the afternoon because they’d managed to get an earlier ferry, even though OH had been quite clear with them that we would not be ready to welcome them (unpacking, doing laundry, getting flat ready etc) before the evening. OH told them they weren’t being reasonable and they told us that they hadn't considered it from our point of view.

What makes me feel guilty at being annoyed is that PIL are lovely to us when we stay with them, feed us lovely home-grown food and let us relax. They have a large house with 2 spare rooms, so we can all spend time together without getting on top of each other, and the weather is always good so we spend a lot of time outdoors. When they come to us, PIL are not difficult guests other than FIL having a few little irritating habits (e.g. leaving toilet seat up) that are easy enough to ignore most of the time.

Last year PIL were so tired from the journey that they just sat on the sofa for 2 days, not interacting with DC not doing anything to help me. I found it hard to keep them entertained. OH was only able to have a couple of days off out of the 6 that his parents were here. This year he says he will try and take more time off, but it is pretty likely that he will have to cancel the days off and go in. I don’t drive, so we cannot go very far afield if OH is not around, and PIL do not speak any English at all, so are completely dependent on me to interpret for them whenever we do go anywhere.

I also currently have to interpret what DC says for PIL as DC does understand their language but does not speak it in full sentences yet. FIL largely ignores my efforts and makes little effort to try and grasp any words at all in English. He also likes to spend a lot of time comparing culture in the UK with his own culture, which starts to grate after a couple of days as he says the same stuff every time they visit.

Although we now live in a larger flat, we do not have a spare room. PIL will be sleeping in the small dining room/playroom on an inflatable bed that will have to be shoved out of the way every morning so we can have breakfast. PIL live in a very rural area with a large garden and have chickens, goats etc. As a result they are constantly in and out of their house. But when they are with us they end up cooped up indoors unless I suggest something and pretty much push them out the door, even though they have visited our town several times now.

I think it really bothers me that I have adapted to their culture and that they have not really adapted to mine.

I have just had an argument with OH because once again I wasn’t given a say in the dates that he’s agreed with his DP. He says that I did agree, and that I agreed last year as well. But there is no way I would ever have accepted such a long stay, not when I’m the one that has to do all the entertaining / organising. He just informs me which dates have been chosen, which is definitely not the same as asking me what I think and taking my preferences into consideration. He never normally behaves like this.

OH admitted last night that he hasn’t actually booked the travel yet, so I asked him to consider booking flights instead of a ferry and for a shorter period such as from 29 Dec to 2 Jan, and to just inform his DP that that is what suits us best. It would make more sense because PIL would be much less tired and much less bored, and we might all appreciate the time we have together more. Not to mention we wouldn’t have to find somewhere for them to leave their car (we live in an area with very restricted parking). It would also mean OH was keeping his promise of making things less difficult for me this year.

OH has said that not living in the same country as PIL justifies the length of the visit. I get that Xmas is important to them, but it doesn’t make sense to me that they would come for such a long time when their son is not around to spend time with them (he will have a lot more availability from January onwards) and the days are so short and dark.

I have told him I have nothing against seeing them. I just find 6 days is too much and I am really annoyed that I don’t get a say in it. I have told him I would be happy for PIL to come and stay more often for long weekends during the year.

I am dreading having to entertain PIL, meal plan, prepare food, do extra washing up etc for 6 whole days when I could be taking it a bit more easy. But more importantly than that I am particularly worried about managing PIL’s expectations, as OH has confessed to me that unlike my parents they expect to see us every year at Xmas. It certainly already feels like a pattern has been established.

Thank you if you've read this far.

AIBU to be pissed off that my wishes are being ignored or am I just making a big bah humbug fuss about nothing?

OP posts:
FraglesRock · 14/11/2019 22:21

I'd tell him you'll host for three days at most, if he ignores you you'll go stay with relatives for those days. Or as pp said, you'll be at work at pil can have dc.

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Cherrysoup · 14/11/2019 22:58

Honest to god, OP, one pp said he’s gaslighting you saying you agreed. Yes! Tell him, very seriously that they need to book an Airbnb, the flat is way too small for this, it’s ridiculous. 6 days-no, they can do a long weekend and fly. Driving (South of France, yes?) is ridiculous. This is YOUR break. I used to get frustrated with people coming during October half term, it’s the most tiring term, IMO. I’d probably have a breakdown if someone wanted to stay at Christmas! Speak to him!

loseyourself · 14/11/2019 23:49

I'd go mad (I nearly did last Christmas) family members from abroad for 6 days and my kids were all sick with flu to top it off. Preparing meals daily for 6 days for 11 people (5 my own - me, dh and 3 kids) and people turning up their nose at turkey or ham dinners after xmas day. Even ordering takeaways only lightened the odd evening meal (there was lunch, breakfast, snacks, alcohol for every single day) . NEVER EVER again.it is enough to plan Christmas for Santa presents, 6 birthdays to cater for in December also, but to have to get food in for guests up until new year +. I am surprised at guests who think it is ok. They NEED to stay in a hotel and if money is an issue, yourself and your DH can look at costs for 3 meals a day for 6 days and could help them out if they are strapped for cash ; but they might surprised at how much they enjoy it - I mean an airbed at 70?

Babynamechangerr · 15/11/2019 03:43

Agree the main issue is that your dh is expecting you to host his parents as he can't / won't take time off which is not his call to make as it is your annual leave.

I think the only way that this can be agreed to is (a) he takes the time off and (b) they stay elsewhere.

If your dh explains that they can't stay this year because you're both run ragged and you need to use this time to recuperate rather than host they should understand, and can't be very nice people if they don't.

If he can't take the time off then again he should say that it's not a good time to come as they won't really see him (and he's is their son after all).

But appreciate that it's easy for me to say.

But, unpleasant as it is, I think you have to dig your heels in as this is now becoming the yearly plan of what they just do. Ask dh to put you first and respect that he is deciding what you do with your AL which is not his call to make.

Straightintoit · 15/11/2019 03:56

Does he not see that slowly they’re doing what he cut contact with them for? Pushing, pushing, into his life again and again?

They may well expect to spend every Christmas with you but if that isn’t your expectation, then it doesn’t work does it.

He’s letting them in, then leaving you to do it. Totally unfair.

I face very similar problems and have learnt (though need to be firmer still) to Just Say No, eg when expected to babysit PIL while my partner goes out to work as normal. It’s caused big arguments because I see this as just another example of their controlling and overbearing behaviour, whereas he does not.

Basically, as mumsnet likes to say, ‘you have a DH problem’.

JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth · 15/11/2019 04:12

I'd be going to work and making up a story about being needed to cover. Or I'd be visiting my mum for a few days of rest and relaxation.

But normally I don't lift a finger from boxing day to early Jan. Like you OP I work full time and have kids so really need xmas for rest. I would not be agreeing to a long visit like this

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/11/2019 05:11

Does he realise just how much he sounds like his parents??

He said you agreed to the visit and dates even when you didn’t? Sounds like your in laws aren’t the only manipulative ones. Hmm

You’re too concerned with what they will think. The choices to put to your dh are:

  1. they come and stay with you for fewer days
  2. they stay in an air bnb
  3. you stay with your parents for the entire duration of their stay

Imo 2) is by far the best option. He just needs to sell it as them getting a comfortable bed and time to recharge from the journey.

Make sure he knows that your parents don’t have the expectation of spending every Christmas holiday with you because their not controlling and manipulative. They do, however, have the desire to spend every Christmas with you. He needs to see there is no difference, just that your parents aren’t demanding and manipulative.

If you tot up all the hours you are expected to spend with your in laws, I bet it would be more than with your parents.

My dh / fil are also foreign. Fil used to come over a couple of times a year but now doesn’t due to advanced age. He’d arrive in the afternoon of Thursday. Dh would be off Friday - Monday and then he’d leave Tuesday or Monday if dh had to work. He stayed in a bedroom with an en-suite so plenty of space. More time would have been too much for fil and for me for differing reasons. Something like this is what you should be aiming for.

CrumpetyTea · 15/11/2019 05:13

I think your suggestion of having them come in January seems reasonable- its not as if they are coming for Xmas day tbh so surely a few days difference doesn't matter. Has your OH actually asked them to do this? are they the ones that insist or is it really that he doesn't tell them truthfully that it doesn't work- it does sound like the only time they were told directly something didn't work they were reasonable/apologetic.
I do get that if family are visiting from abroad they may visit for longer time periods and a working parent will still have to work (I'm facing this currently - and will be the one working) but this doesn't seem to be the case here as they can come for short visits /frequent visits

FixItUpChappie · 15/11/2019 05:29

No, no, no there is no way I'd cancel my holiday, or be pushed out of my apartment. Its unbelievably selfish of your OH. Frankly even if he was there - how fucking exhausting to host people in a one bedroom when you are already stretched to the limit. Just NO. I would not stand for it and wouldn't care who was upset.

Your not just everyones breadwinner/cook/maid/caregiver/organizer/host/dutiful DIL - sounds like you could use some free time.

2yrs ago I declared the week after Christmas completely off limits for any plans at all. Shattered by full time work, the kids sports/clubs and an endless stream of tasks - I felt just desperate, truly desperate, for free unscheduled family time with the kids....i got flak from some but it was the best decision OP, seriously.

Teaandcrisps · 15/11/2019 05:30

It's too long and also they will do this every year if you dont do smtg now. You did not marry your ILs and you have absolutely no responsibility to look after your OHs relationship with his parents. Set out what you want 29th-2nd, make it.clear that next year there is no invitation as you are doing smtg else. Also, go and stay with your parents from 29th-31st, it's not your job to host your ILs either, it's your OHs job.

Atm it works or your ILs and OH because you are picking up the pieces so you will have to remove yourself.

FixItUpChappie · 15/11/2019 05:53

Also the retired can come and go whenever and should work around what's bests for the working parents of young children IMO.

Nextphonewontbesamsung · 15/11/2019 05:58

It took me nearly 6 days to read that op.

But on the whole I think yanbu.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 15/11/2019 06:08

I would go to your parents. And not do any prep for their visit.
Also put your D.C. in nursery for a couple of days, so you can go back to work and use your leave in January.
If your ILs are bored and not hosted. They may well jump in their car and go home early.

phoenixrosehere · 15/11/2019 06:26

YANBU

You have a DH problem and he needs to do the hosting for this or have them rearrange their dates as you talked about. If he won’t then, you either head to work or stay with your parents. Your DH is being very inconsiderate especially since it sounds like he is doing nothing but making the arrangements and ignoring what you two discussed.

You shouldn’t have to suck it up 🙄 because pil let you all stay for one or two weeks with them. Big difference when there is enough room for everyone and people are out and about not all stuck in together. You deserve a break and to be able to relax before you start your new job. They can try to come another time.

Monkeymilkshake · 15/11/2019 07:13

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to come for 6 days over xmas. And the fact that they are a bit annoying and the lack of space could be ok - i mean you coud just suck it up.
However, i would be really pissed off if i was planning a nice relaxing xmas break and then had to entertain them instead.
So i would say to your DH that they are welcome to stay but he needs to get time off and help look after them. If he can't get time off for 6 days then they need to come at a later date in Jan when he has more time off. You can all have another christmas or make up a new tradition of a january celebration with them.

dottiedodah · 15/11/2019 08:21

Can you not go out for Supper some days ? Or have a takeaway .Does you DH work in Emergency Services ? If he cant get any more time off then you will have to try and lighten your load .I agree that they shouldnt expect to come every year ,but DH is probably wary of upsetting them following the fallout . Maybe see if they can come for a shorter time or catch the plane (12 hours driving is frankly idiotic anyway!)

ShatnersWig · 15/11/2019 08:38

Yep, echoing others and using the well-worn MN mantra "You have a DH problem, not a PIL problem"

LannieDuck · 15/11/2019 08:49

Your DH needs to set more reasonable boundaries with his work. It's not reasonable for work to expect him to be on call 7 days a week (unless he gets paid amazingly for it?), and for his holiday to be effectively 'on call' as well.

I would be saying that you're going to have 28th Dec - 2nd Jan 'off' as your holiday, because you need some time to relax after working FT, doing all the childcare and all the housework. DH needs to take time off then to look after the children, and you won't be entertaining anyone during that time. If guests do arrive, you'll go to stay with your parents for a few days.

LannieDuck · 15/11/2019 08:50

Also, does DH really, honestly, need to word as long hours as he does?

I've rarely known a job where that's actually required, unless he's self-employed? Normally it's men choosing to avoid their responsibilities at home, or wanting to feel in demand and important.

billy1966 · 15/11/2019 08:53

OP, that sounds awful as does your husband.

I would go mad if someone told me that I agreed to something that I knew bloody well I hadn't and was going to put me out so much.

Be very careful of this as it's a really nasty thing to do.

As others have said, you either kick up a big fuss and put manners on your husband or you accept this.

If he goes ahead and does this, I would remove myself from the home and let your husband know that he has very seriously damaged your relationship.

Often in relationships when huge boundaries are crossed it's because small things have been ignored.

Don't ignore this OP.

The issue is larger than you think.

Wishing you well.

You appear to be doing it all on your own.
💐

NoNoOk · 15/11/2019 09:00

OP, I hear you but just for a moment put yourself in PIL's shoes. They must be desperate to see you, doing such an arduous journey at their age and being exhausted from it for two days. I'm sure they would much prefer that you visit them in their big house and space but they probably think they are doing the right thing in coming to you with your child.

Your PIL won't be around forever and they will be aware of this now. They will also be aware that they won't be able to make that journey for much longer and that will be the end of xmas with their son and DGC for them so they are fitting it in now. There aren't many people in their 70s can drive for 12 hours straight.

You say they're lovely really and you say they adore your GC. Have a heart, it's xmas and they're just showing their love for their family.

In terms if your DH, he is in charge of all meal planning, all cooking and all food shopping for the entire period, working or not. Be explicit with PIL in how they could help you, have a think in advance.

I know I'm going against the grain here, but I think it's worth pretending you are MIL for a moment. She loves DH and DGC as much as you love your DC. That's what keeps me on track with my in laws!

Antigon · 15/11/2019 10:02

@NoNoOk

They know that Nov and Dec are busy months for their son and he is unlikely to be able to spend time with them.

Therefore they should visit between Feb-Oct. It’s as simple as that.

Why don’t you have a heart and look at the fact that OP’s husband is gaslighting her by telling her that she agreed to PIL’s both this year and last year?

And they’re only late sixties, they could live another 20 years at least!!

HappySonHappyMum · 15/11/2019 10:09

You know where your husband has booked time off but will probably end up working - well that might have to happen to you as well...

jazzandh · 15/11/2019 10:31

I'd get them over for Christmas itself and throw them into the mix with your family. Whilst you are making an effort - go large!! Get it all over and done with. They can stay in a local hotel / Airbnb but would be mainly at yours during the day.

Then they can travel back home just after Christmas and you get time to relax.