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AIBU?

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to think swearing is not ever acceptable in a relationship?

137 replies

Leavesarefallingtotheground · 13/11/2019 12:52

I want to ask people for a genuine perspective on this. My DH is great the vast majority of the time. He is kind, generous, loving, hard-working, does 50% of the housework, 50% of the childcare when he is around (although he works full time and I work 4 days a week so I inevitably do more childcare but I love spending time with my DC). He is never controlling and puts the family first.

We get on well most of the time. We share a lot of the same interests, moral code and views. We enjoy each others company. Basically we are well aligned.

We are both very busy, with a baby and toddler, busy demanding careers and both also studying postgraduate degrees at university, plus many other demands on our time.

When we disagree or argue, sometimes we are both very level-headed, we listen and come to a reasonable conclusion or answer, and basically figure it out. He will apologise and is able to admit when he may have been in the wrong. As do I.

Sometimes when we are both tired, stressed and unable to debate in a constructive way, an argument can escalate, and we can both become irritated, even angry and raise our voices (never when the DC are awake/around and not full on shouting either).
Last night this happened and he swore at me, twice. I felt really upset by this and decided to end the conversation. I told him I would not be engaging any further as I felt disrespected. He apologised soon after, but tbh, I felt hurt and unable to have a conversation about it, so I went to sleep.

I suppose I want to ask people if it is reasonable to think swearing and raised voices should not be a feature of arguments in a marriage or relationship? Or am I being precious, too sensitive and naive?

Voting enabled:
YABU: I am over-reacting and being too sensitive.
YANBU: There should never be raised voices and swearing in a relationship.

OP posts:
Meruem · 13/11/2019 13:32

I think we all have our lines. I would never accept being called a cunt by a partner, even if it was said in jest, as I detest the word. I personally wouldn't be overly upset by what your DH said as it was not "name calling". It sounds just like he was exasperated and annoyed. I'm not a sweary person but, in a heated argument with a partner, I have said "fuck off" and the like. So I can't give you a straight yes/no answer.

Leavesarefallingtotheground · 13/11/2019 13:32

Yes, he is a very good husband and father to our DC. But I struggle with this massively. We do not normally argue like this.

This has happened a few times, and we have been together 11 years and married for 5. It never happened before we had our DCs after marriage. I think it would have been a red flag for me if it had happened pre-marriage.

OP posts:
Igotthemheavyboobs · 13/11/2019 13:32

Maybe you just aren't compatible. I personally couldn't be with someone who got upset over "what the fuck is wrong with you?'

My ex was very calm and collected and never shouted. That drove me potty during a row! I found it quite manipulative. It all depends on your own boundaries.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 13/11/2019 13:33

Even the word 'arguing' needs defining to be honest.

We argue all the time, loudly and swearily, about sport, music, current affairs. We very rarely argue about things that matter though.

adaline · 13/11/2019 13:34

Neither of those things would offend me in the slightest, I have to say.

But if it's unusual for your relationship I can see why it might be a bit upsetting.

Passthecherrycoke · 13/11/2019 13:35

I think the risk is OP, if you did find someone as rigid as you in this regard, you may well find that you never argue- but of course the issues are still there and you’ll both internalise them. Which may well lead to much more long term unhappiness and frustration

Vinosaurus · 13/11/2019 13:35

Personally I think it's a massive overreaction but appreciate these things are very subjective.

littlehappyhippo · 13/11/2019 13:36

@Leavesarefallingtotheground

Well at least you can see YABU from the poll here.

Being shouted at and sworn at isn't great, but swearing at each other is perfectly normal/OK. In fact, it's quite therapeutic.

You will find the people who get all precious about swearing, are the same people who have never farted in front of their partner/spouse, and would leave them, if they farted in front of them.

They also never burp in front of them, and have probably never had a shit when their partner/spouse is within a mile of the house.

They probably have sex with the lights out, and rubber gloves on, and get undressed under the duvet, (in the dark obviously.) And they probably have a penis-beaker.

I couldn't get worked up about it tbh.

So yeah, YABU.

Teachermaths · 13/11/2019 13:37

With the context I still think you're being sensitive. He sounds like he's had enough and was very frustrated. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone said this to me.

TheMustressMhor · 13/11/2019 13:37

And I agree about the MN Bingo...

LochJessMonster · 13/11/2019 13:38

Swearing is ok, being sworn at is not.

littlehappyhippo · 13/11/2019 13:40

@TheMustressMhor

What's the MN bingo?

AmIThough · 13/11/2019 13:40

What were you arguing about? Because if you'd put a buttery fork in the marmite I'd ask what the fuck was wrong with you too.

And if you said "you need to take the bins out because I'm a weak woman and can't lift them" id probably tell you to piss off.

ConFusion360 · 13/11/2019 13:41

Personally I think it's a massive overreaction but appreciate these things are very subjective.

I agree. We don't swear at each other and it's not normal amongst the people I know.

I don't know everybody though.

JacksonPillock · 13/11/2019 13:42

TBF I err more on the side of it's unacceptable, but if it's just "what the fuck is wrong with you" and "piss off", then I think you're overreacting. Both are mild and not actually insulting you (as in calling you a swear word), which for me would be worse.

littlehappyhippo · 13/11/2019 13:43

@AmIThough

What were you arguing about? Because if you'd put a buttery fork in the marmite I'd ask what the fuck was wrong with you too.

Or even worse....... put butter on a piece of toast, and then peanut butter on top! Shock

SummerPavillion · 13/11/2019 13:43

Well that's nonsense littlehappyhippo If a partner spoke to me like the OP's, they'd be out on their arse, and I'm the first to burp and fart whenever I can get away with it - all day long if I could Grin And I'd shock you with my sexual tendencies! Grin

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 13/11/2019 13:45

Swearing doesnt really bother me.
My ex could reallllyyy be nasty without using a single swear word:
"YOU DONT TO A TAP IN THIS HOUSE.. YOU DONT DO A THING! YOU DONT PAY FOR NOTHING!"
All of which was complete gaslighting lies.
I think with swearing etc it all depends on tone, context, frequency & how proportionate the anger level is to the scenario.

SummerPavillion · 13/11/2019 13:45

I think it depends on the dynamic too - if both can give as good as they get that's fine, but if all the verbal abuse is going in one direction that shows nastiness

Leavesarefallingtotheground · 13/11/2019 13:45

Ok thanks for all the responses. Most people think I am being too sensitive which is interesting and I am reflecting on that. Maybe I am too easily offended.

We are generally relaxed in our relationship and not prudish at all about stuff like sex / bodies/ swearing etc etc.

But I do feel in a relationship, people shouldn't swear at each other in anger. Like a previous poster said, we don't do it at work, with friends, other family members or our children, so why should couples ever behave like this to each other?

I guess before we had DC this had never happened before. It's happened a few times since and I don't like it. But I am reflecting on all the comments about being too sensitive / too precious and acknowledging that my DH was pretty upset at himself afterwards and has apologised.

OP posts:
staceyflack · 13/11/2019 13:45

What did he actually say?

Leavesarefallingtotheground · 13/11/2019 13:47

Yes what is MN bingo?

OP posts:
littlehappyhippo · 13/11/2019 13:47

@SummerPavillion

Ooooh, you norty gal! Grin

TwattingDog · 13/11/2019 13:50

See, I'm no different at work, with family or friends... Maybe I'm too relaxed?

littlehappyhippo · 13/11/2019 13:50

@Leavesarefallingtotheground

YES. What is MN bingo?

Wish someone would answer this. A few people have said it now... Anyone???