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...to hold on to teenagers' phones when they are here for a sleepover

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dubmumof2 · 09/11/2019 14:09

Quick background - my teenage DC (15 & 13) are not and have never been allowed their phones overnight in their bedrooms for both sleep and safety reasons. They set their phones to charge downstairs before going up to bed. I have in the past had to charge a phone in my bedroom for a period when I discovered that a phone was being retrieved in secret when the house was gone to bed!

I've always had a similar rule for sleepovers - phones are handed over at 12 midnight or 12.30am and charged in my room (not downstairs from experience). Everyone is informed of where their phone is and told that if they want to talk to parents etc in the night that is fine - they can have their phone from me. I have lots of reasons - concern for what they may watch when I'm asleep, concern for the potential ideas that groups can spur on to film sleeping friends and post them (illegally!), know of middle of the night sorties to meet other groups having sleepovers arranged by phone. I feel I am in loco parentis and those are risks I'm not willing to take.

Had two new 13 year old friends last night for the first time. Group including regular sleepover attendees and new then considered this rule very unreasonable and I spent from 12.30am to 4.30am defending it, preventing numerous attempts to get the phones back by stealth or argument, and addressing charges that I wasn't allowed to keep them from their phones......

I didn't budge and am unlikely to revise the rule but AIBU? Do any of you have similar rules or am I an outlier here?

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SmileEachDay · 10/11/2019 09:23

‘Parents need to be the frontal lobe”

this article explains it well

MauritiusNext · 10/11/2019 09:25

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TheLittleDogLaughed · 10/11/2019 09:25

My dd is now 17 and manages her own phone use. I have to say OP that as your dd gets a little older you may find your house is an unpopular sleepover option. Also does your dd get to keep her phone at friends’ sleepovers?

TheLittleDogLaughed · 10/11/2019 09:31

Faffandahalf but this doesn’t just happen on phones overnight, right? This could be kids meeting after school. I agree with the facts you’re pointing out but not seeing the relevance to the OP? This is the wider picture, surely?

It’s like thinking that if you don’t let your teenager have a boyfriend to stay over they won’t have sex. Not all things happen at night!

Faffandahalf · 10/11/2019 09:31

I like the article linked above.

Honestly your kids don’t NEED their phones. It’s just silly to think they can’t survive one night without it and seriously lots of kids get riled up and do the most ridiculous things in the middle of the night with phones.

mathanxiety · 10/11/2019 09:32

Faffandahaff
My DCs went to a school where there was initially a complete phone ban/see it-lose-it policy. Parents had to come to the school to sign for confiscated phones if a phone was taken.

It generated massive umbrage in the community. Most parents gave their children phones so the kids could keep in touch after school on the often long walk home, or in the case of athletes, to get in touch when the team bus arrived back in school after a meet, and in the case of aspiring thespians, to contact when a rehearsal was over, etc. Every so often (about every other month) the local schools and police would issue a warning about men in vehicles trying to persuade students walking to or from school to get into the car with them.
Most parents didn't appreciate having to leave work early to get to the school at 3 to sign for a phone they had given so the students could communicate with them and vice versa.

So the school changed its policy. Phones were allowed. It didn't result in massive disruption, hundreds of daily pizza deliveries, or purchasing or selling of drugs over and beyond what was already happening just by word of mouth. Teachers had boxes in their classrooms into which phones were deposited at the start of each class. There was no massive uptick in bullying among teenage girls.

Meanwhile, a problem was emerging wrt detentions and how they were disproportionately handed out to African American students. A clarification of detention policy was undertaken (with a stepped approach, warnings, etc emphasised). Parents and teachers alike pointed out that detentions were not solving underlying problems, and exclusions from class (either in school or out of school exclusion) only resulted in students falling behind. Which helped no-one achieve their potential, and actually resulted in getting the backs of big groups of students and parents up...

'Whining' is one way of describing the disgruntlement that is a forerunner of positive change. The result of the complaints was a fairer system and acknowledgement by the school that its primary duty was to provide educational opportunities for all, regardless of how 'difficult' certain students were, or to put it more relevantly, regardless of how many difficulties certain students had. So detentions have fallen drastically, and suspensions too. Meaningful means of addressing lack of student engagement have been implemented in the form of social workers working with the counselor staff and deans. The school recommitted to working with parent groups in a respectful way and keeping on policing itself with the help of community groups so that equitable treatment of all students continues, as obliged by law as it turns out.

It's a more painful and difficult process than doubling down on the detentions and interdictions, but infinitely more productive.

Larrygrylls, I take it you haven't hosted a sleepover.

churchandstate · 10/11/2019 09:32

It’s like thinking that if you don’t let your teenager have a boyfriend to stay over they won’t have sex. Not all things happen at night!

It’s like letting your 13 year old have a sexual relationship and overnight stays in the home because they’re probably doing it anyway. Why try to be a good parent when your child will probably go behind your back and do whatever they want anyway?

Erm...

Faffandahalf · 10/11/2019 09:33

littledog.
No you’re right. Cyber bullying and the rest can happen during the day.
I find the more sexually explicit stuff ones happen overnight actually.
I deal with a lot of stuff pastorally so see this.maybe because it’s more taboo and they’re not looking at sex stuff on the bus on the way home...

Happygoldfinch · 10/11/2019 09:34

AwkwardFucker

Can I still get internet and Sky TV etc without a landline? Because it is actually killing me that I pay for one; you're right. Sorry - a bit of a divergence from the actual thread...

Zeusthemoose · 10/11/2019 09:34

I've had this issue lately. I used to take phone off the kids during sleepovers and charge downstairs but now they are both a bit older ( both over 12) they all keep them. My DC know the rules and pitfalls of having a mobile and I assume not much sleeping goes on at a sleepover anyway!

I remember going to a sleepover when I was about 12yo. My parents vaguely knew her parents and I'd been friends with her a while. Turned out her Dad was a nasty, abusive man. That night he lost his temper with his 14 yo DS and I witnessed him hitting his son repeatedly. She also told me he hit her Mum and had broken her dog's leg. I was terrified and just wanted to go home but was too frightened to run off incase he caught me trying to sneak out of the house. A quick text to my parents would have got me out of that situation. I'm reassured that my DC have phones with them.

Vulpine · 10/11/2019 09:37

If my kid got their phone confiscated at school, ain't no way i'd leave work early to go and get it. The kid can do without it till the next day.

churchandstate · 10/11/2019 09:38

Vulpine

Exactly. These parents who rush “down the school” to demand their child’s property back are being rather short-sighted, IMO.

Jarw · 10/11/2019 09:38

Personally I wouldn't. It's very controlling behaviour. I'm in my 30s and my mother was similarly controlling in my teens, till this day I still resent her for some of the controlling things she did when I was younger and I vowed never to do the same things to my own children.

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 10/11/2019 09:41

Some people are weird on here.
I'd say I'm a relaxed parent and known to be. A phones off rule is a good idea late at night at a sleepover.
Phones are not essential to have and you are not taking away their human rights!!
That is hilarious! I work on hospital ward and I am not allowed access to my phone for hours. For good reason.
You have done nothing wrong OP.

Vulpine · 10/11/2019 09:42

Jarw - so 15/20 years ago - what was the equivalent controlling behaviour that your mum did? Not let you watch 18 horror movies?

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling · 10/11/2019 09:44

Great post @mathanxiety. Alas doesn't give anyone the opportunity to stomp around and get that little rush of power that imposing arbitrary rules on those younger and more powerless than themselves does though.

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Mothership4two · 10/11/2019 09:45

Some people are weird on here

^^this

churchandstate · 10/11/2019 09:46

Great post @mathanxiety. Alas doesn't give anyone the opportunity to stomp around and get that little rush of power that imposing arbitrary rules on those younger and more powerless than themselves does though.

Define arbitrary. Is any rule arbitrary? What makes this one arbitrary?

Happygoldfinch · 10/11/2019 09:48

Wendy

We don't ask for phones to be out of the rooms to get that rush of power you describe so comically.

I do it so my DC can enjoy a carefree night of laughter and spontaneity and activity and humour and real-time engagement. They have shed-loads of fun and are always up until 2am-ish, giggling and trying to be quiet. My DD hates it when her friends get their phones out at parties; she says everything becomes stilted and awkward and you can't really have 4-way chatter.

Mothership4two · 10/11/2019 09:48

13 not 15

Frequency · 10/11/2019 09:49

Can I still get internet and Sky TV etc without a landline? Because it is actually killing me that I pay for one; you're right. Sorry - a bit of a divergence from the actual thread...

I have a landline, in theory. It comes with my broadband package. The BB is no cheaper without the LL. It doesn't have a phone plugged into it. I'm not even sure where the phone socket is and IDK what my phone number is. I just view the price as the prince for high-speed BB connection rather than phone and BB. We don't have Sky or Cable despite that also being part of the package as I'd then have to pay a TV license therefore it would cost me extra unlike the non-existent phone line I pay for.

There are actually two schools of thought wrt mobile phone usage and depression in teenagers. One is that mobile phones directly cause depression and one that excessive mobile phone use is a symptom of depression. I'm inclined to believe the latter based on my own experience with DD.

Her anxiety started at the age of nine, though looking back she showed signs of anxious behaviours from age six after loosing her young cousin to cancer. The self-harm started at age 11. She didn't get her first phone until she was almost 12 and when she dropped it and broke it a few weeks after getting it, we didn't replace it until she was 13. I do notice that her mobile phone use increases when she's going through a dark phase, although she also physically isolates herself from her peers when she's feeling really unwell, so the increased use makes sense from the POV that she is keeping in touch with people she would normally interact with in RL.

I firmly believe DD is genetically inclined to poor mental health and it was a number of things cumulatively which caused her to display symptoms of anxiety and depression, starting with the death of her cousin and prolonged bullying being the straw that broke the camel's back, iyswim? SATS definitely made things worse but without the bullying I think she would have gotten over the stress of SATS.

I agree social media plays a part in anxiety and depression in teens and makes it a lot easier for bullying to take place (although DD's bullying happened in school not online) but I don't necessarily think the teenagers who are severely depressed or anxious wouldn't be so without phones/social media.

refraction · 10/11/2019 09:50

The difference is school is for learning and pupils and parents know the phone rule to start with. I would take one if a pupil had it out in my lesson.

A sleepover is fun it's not quite the same. I would not take any phones away.

SE13Mummy · 10/11/2019 09:51

I don't think YABU about the requirement that phones aren't in with teens overnight. Your DD can't be trusted sufficiently for the phone to be somewhere other than your bedroom so she is the one who has created much of this situation.

DD1 is very nearly 15. Ordinarily, she brings her phone downstairs and it's switched off from 8.30pm/9pm. When her friends sleepover, the rule is no phones in her bedroom after about 11pm but provided the phones are at least in the spare room or on the landing outside DD's room, I'm not bothered with them being downstairs.

The reason for them not having their phones overnight is that I want them to be able to spend time in each other's company, including being able to sleep if they wish, without the fear of being filmed/photographed.

DD isn't overly thrilled that this is the rule but goes with it and knows she has the option of getting me to tell any new sleepover friends that this is how things work in our home. The phones remain accessible to her friends and as the spare room and landing can be accessed without walking past our room, any teens who needed to call/text home could do so privately. There's a landline phone in the spare room too which they know they can use or, in the event of some kind of mass teen phone disaster that rendered all of their phones unuseable, DD1 knows it would be fine to go downstairs and let them use my mobile (which charges downstairs overnight) - it's not about removing access to the outside world but trying to reduce some of the online silliness and poor decision-making that can arise from middle-of-the-night peer pressure or fear of missing out. This way, they can be silly and make poor-decisions but won't be recorded on Snapchat/Instagram doing so.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/11/2019 09:51

@churchandstate

As of 3 days ago, your dd was nearly 3. I remember thinking all sorts of things about how to protect my dd when she was little more than a baby. But thank god I didn’t post such drivel. Now that she’s here it is so very different. Please do remember to refer back to this thread in a decade when she’s nearly 13.