Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

People find it very difficult to grasp that it is piss me to be a Labour supporter and not a Corbyn supporter, and indeed many people are.

Good lord. Possible, not piss me!

Same here @BertrandRussell, yet they find it easy to understand thinking Johnson’s a buffoon and vote Tory.

I don't get how anyone can prefer Boris over literally ANYONE. If you're a labour supporter, but don't like Corbyn, I still struggle to understand how that would lead you to vote Conservative with (racist, sexist, bloody everythingist) Boris in charge.

I can never understand when people proudly declare ‘I would never vote Tory Vote with your fucking head - not your misplaced loyalty!

People don’t say they would never vote Tory out of loyalty to a different party, but because of disagreement with the fundamental political values of the Tory Party.

Voting Lib Dem here, hate Brexit and not keen on Corbyn.

Because it isn’t. Most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds no matter what media they consume, and it’s insulting to imply otherwise.

I don't think it is insulting.
The media is very good at manipulating opinion surreptitiously.
People claim that they have made an informed independent opinion but we are all influenced by what the media chooses to publish/ broadcast.

People claim to have an informed independent opinion

“ If you're a labour supporter, but don't like Corbyn, I still struggle to understand how that would lead you to vote Conservative”
Yes- I donNt get this either. There are plenty of other people to vote for or ballot papers to spoil, are not fundamentally opposed to your basic principles.

If you vote Labour under Corbyn and co, you are deliberately and knowingly voting for anti-Semitism.

I won't be voting for any institutionally racist party, and if you do, then shame on you.

Wish the Lib Dems or Greens were better but they have got to be better than the Official Anti-Semitic Party of Great Britain aka the current Labour party.

In reality, they're all shit. And I haven't even mentioned the Tories, for reasons that seem fairly obvious.

I don't believe the Labour Party has a greater problem with anti-semitism than any other party. I'm sure anti-semitism exists across all parties and it needs stamping out. What Labour do have a greater problem with is biased media reporting.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/30/flawed-reporting-on-antisemitism-claims-against-the-labour-party

I won't be voting for any institutionally racist party, and if you do, then shame on you.

So you won’t be voting for any party then? You think the best solution to our current predicament is that we all vote for no one?

If you vote Labour under Corbyn and co, you are deliberately and knowingly voting for anti-Semitism.

Please back this up with evidence, rather than just repeating this soundbyte. I have a large number of Jewish relatives (not my mother’s side, hence I am not Jewish but I was raised in a predominantly Jewish environment). None of them believe Corbyn to be an anti-Semite, nor do they believe Labour to be an anti-semitic party.

John Bercow has just gone on record claiming that he has never witnessed anti-semitism or experienced anti-Semitism from Corbyn or from Labour.

If you are going to say with certainty that Corbyn and Labour are anti-Semitic, please provide evidence.

www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/john-bercow-i-ve-experienced-antisemitism-myself-jeremy-corbyn-labour-has-a-big-issue-to-address-1.492857

shalligoagain - Well, you're wrong then, and you need to read more about it.

There is a reason the EHRC are investigating Labour and not any other party. There is a reason that 87% of British Jews think Corbyn is anti-Semitic.

I'm Jewish and I don't know a single fellow Jew who isn't horrified by what Corbyn has does to Labour and who doesn't feel threatened as a result.

Maybe it's that you don't understand the concept of institutional racism. A good thread on this here: twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1192479519929774082

Deathgrip - see the link I posted above. You do not seem to understand the meaning of 'institutionally racist' - it does not imply that every single Labour MP or member is racist. It says that the party processes have been captured by anti-Semites and that the party is therefore institutionally hostile to Jews.

I am Jewish - I don't just have a Jewish friend or relation - and I follow this stuff because my life and my family's life depends on it.

No other British political party is being investigated by the EHRC for institutional anti-Semitism. Only one other has been investigated previously for institutional racism - and that was the BNP.

But if you're happy voting for a party as racist as the BNP, go you.

John Bercow has just gone on record claiming that he has never witnessed anti-semitism

But Luciana Berger says that she has. Do you believe her?

I won't be voting for any institutionally racist party, and if you do, then shame on you

ODFOD
Some of us don’t believe Corbyn to be anti-Semitic
I don’t know who the hell you think you are calling shame on people who make a free choice to vote for a certain party! But you certainly aren’t going to convince anyway with that kind of attitude.

And you'll need to do more than quote 1 or 2 individuals who claim they haven't personally experienced anti-Semitism in Labour to prove your point. No-one is suggesting that the anti-Semitism is so endeic that literally every single Jew in Britain has been attacked personally. And I imagine that Bercow, due to his exalted position, was somewhat less likely to be a victim of it, from Labour or anyone else.

The fact that one woman has not experienced sexism or misogyny does not mean that therefore the gender pay gap does not exist. Anecdotes are not proof of wider trends.

The fact that pretty much every poll over the last 3 years has been consistent in making clear that the vast majority of British Jews find Corbyn and a Corbyn-led Labour anti-Semitic is a lot more convincing, frankly.

I don't believe the Labour Party has a greater problem with anti-semitism than any other party.

I’m guessing you don’t understand how the ideology of the left makes it susceptible to anti-semitism? It’s not just an issue with the Labour Party but the left in other countries too.

Here's a random list of Corbyn anti-Semitism - there are many other lists, with other examples, if you're interested. His anti-Semitism is so extensive it doesn't easily fit on just one list.

twitter.com/TheGolem_/status/1191348844375740416

As has been observed, Corbyn has got to one of the unluckiest anti-racists in the world - the fact that he just ends up endlessly supporting people who accidentally end up being rabid holocaust deniers, terrorists etc is just sooo unfortunate for the poor man.

If Corbyn is ever PM, we are totally fucked!

"Some of us don't believe Corbyn to be anti-Semitic"

Er, yes - and some of those 'us' wouldn't recognise anti-Semitism if it walked up to them twirling its moustache and saying Heil Hitler.

And I like the chutzpah in someone who's just claimed that 'you won't convince anyone with that type of attitude' telling me to ODFOD - because presumably you imagine that that is a really winning argument.

Here's a random list of Corbyn anti-Semitism - there are many other lists, with other examples, if you're interested. His anti-Semitism is so extensive it doesn't easily fit on just one list.

If you'll permit me an observation, I really don't think that list is supporting your case in the way you imagine it is.

"@JeremyCorbyn attends a protest and delivers a speech outside @UKLabour Party conference where protestors direct antisemitic chants towards former Israeli defence minister @Barak_Ehud who is speaking inside "

You might as well say "Jeremy Corbyn sat on a bus at the same time as a well-known anti-semite."

All of the other examples in the list are equally ridiculous and absolutely not proof of Jeremy Corbyn's supposed 'anti-semitism.'

As a long-term (former) Labour member I am horrified and disgusted by the far right's takeover of Labour - which is what Corbyn is. There is nothing left-wing about taking 20 grand to appear on Iran State TV after it has been revealed that it tortured people. There is nothing left-wing about repeatedly supporting terrorists who murder gay people, members of others faiths, and their own people. There is nothing left-wing about being a Putin apologist or Assad apologist.

I can't vote Labour with Corbyn or any other Milne-puppet in charge.

Unfortunately, the choice of alternatives in this election is particularly weedy.

Okay, how about the fact that the Home Affairs Select Committee, after extensive investigation and after noting an increase in anti-Semitic hate crimes within our country, found “no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party”

The committee, by the way, also found large increases in anti-Semitic hate crime in the country under this Tory government, so if we want to talk about institutional racism perhaps we should start there.

That investigation is not one person’s experience.

Of course they’re being investigated, it’s right that they should be after being accused. That enquiry is far from a forgone conclusion however, unless there’s a tonne of conclusive evidence of institutional racism which has gone unreported and wasn’t revealed to the Select committee.