Jeremy Corbyn - PM by default?

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I am not a 'woke' labour supporter. I come from a long line of many generations of stout labour supporters. It would be unthinkable up to now in my family for anyone to vote for any other party. I would be shown the door at my gp's house for even having this conversation.

However, I am seriously seriously worried, I would go as far as to say terrified of the prospect of voting for Labour this time, and Jeremy Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister.
I am interested to know how others are dealing with this problem.

I am worried that some of the policies such as seizing assets and homes from people, massive taxes etc. We are home owners and work very hard, it could all be jeopardised.

Forced closure of private schools in this area would be a complete and utter disaster. As it is we have to finish early on Friday afternoons, and do not have funds for every day stationary much less hundreds of extra children. What would happen to our already very full classes of 33-38 with all the extra children from the private schools? How is this even possible? And yet it seems Labour are fully committed to it when pressed on the issue.

The huge privatisation plan of utilities looks to cost around 200 billion pounds. I don't want our money spent this way! I would much prefer better schools and hospitals, and crime to be under control in this part of the country. I can't even get a GP app for my asthmatic dd at the moment. I could not care less about the Utilities or the railways etc. The LP just do not seem to understand at the moment what matters to most people.

The whole defence and nuclear issue. I don't feel we live in a particularly safe world. I like the fact we have some defences against the nut jobs in the Middle East or North Korea. The fact that other countries would not trust the UK under Corbyn to share intelligence with us, and his lack of decision making in a crisis, or even his basic understanding of deterrents is deeply disturbing.

I just don't think Corbyn is up to the job in any shape or form. Nor do most of the party.

I have thought about voting Lib Dems, but looking at the numbers that will almost certainly result in Corbyn being PM. There is almost no chance at all of Lib Dems getting 326 seats. A vote for Lib Dems is a vote for a Labour government probably propped up by the SNP who will demand another independence referendum in six months.

I am livid with the party for allowing this to happen, how is Corbyn still the leader of the party it is beyond me. How has this been allowed to happen? Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM, but all the best candidates are leaving the Labour party.

I don't think I can vote for anyone. That is my final conclusion, for the first time in thirty years I will not vote. What are you planning to do?

If yr that concerned vote Tory and go back to labour when they have seen the light. I’ve voted both in the past but right now my votes going to Tory’s mainly for all the reasons you mentioned in yr op.

How would the family know anyway ?? It’s a private matter.

Don’t waste yr vote. Corbyn can’t be allowed to get in

If yr that concerned vote Tory and go back to labour when they have seen the light.

Sure. Let's give the Tories at least another 5 years to bulldoze this country to the ground 🤬

Corbyn can’t be allowed to get in

This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Why not? What do you believe Corbyn will do that can even come close to the utter misery and pain inflicted by our current government, as per the many links I posted on the previous page?

Can you quantify this at all?

Chuka Umunna would have made an excellent PM

He's a bloody awful constituency MP and a Crystal Palace fan to boot. Would definitely rather have JC or Boris for that matter.

Why not? What do you believe Corbyn will do that can even come close to the utter misery and pain inflicted by our current government, as per the many links I posted on the previous page?

Turn us into a socialist basket-case. Venezuela has some of the largest oil reserves in the world, and populist socialism of the sort Corbyn champions broke their economy in a few short years.

The poor are the first to starve when that happens, by the way.

The poor are the first to starve when that happens, by the way.

They’re starving now.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/05/food-bank-britain-trussell-trust-report-election

That’s not quantifying anything. That’s a Conservative soundbyte, linking Corbyn’s policies to Venezuela when they’re not even close.

You’re right - Venezuela has huge oil reserves. So much so that the country’s entire economy relies on it. What do you think happens to a country with an oil-reliant economy when oil prices plummet? Please point me to the similar resource on which the U.K. relies?

Ever heard of the resource curse? www.investopedia.com/terms/r/resource-curse.asp

It was the falling oil prices that caused financial difficulties for the state, which is a problem in a country which imports almost everything. Venezuela had plenty of land suitable to grow food, yet didn’t. Before the discovery of oil in Venezuela, 70% of the country’s income was agricultural. By 1957, thanks to the oil discovery, it was only 1.9%. If you are having to buy in food from abroad and then your main source of income tanks, people are going to starve.

Here’s some actual information on the problems in Venezuela
www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/

Argentina, with its right wing government, has suffered a catastrophic financial crisis. Should I use this as proof that right wing politics can never work?

Regardless of who’s to blame and why it happened, Corbyn’s policies are in no way comparable to the socialism in Venezuela. Portugal’s recent growth due to the election of a left of centre party would be a more realistic comparison, but you can’t ever really compare because each country’s starting point and the make up of their economy is so different.

rosiejaune Wed 06-Nov-19 11:02:02

Excellent post.

Wow. I've heard it all now. Poor Venezuelan government, of course it's not their fault

Thank goodness for the people on this thread who aren't blind Daily Mail and Telegraph readers, especially @Deathgrip.

If you need to use the state school system or the nhs at any point in your life, or earn under £85K a year, you would be a fool to vote Tory.

Corbyn is not perfect, neither is any leader of our major parties, but he will put money back into public services where it is desperately needed.

Please consider where your information comes from and remember that mainstream media is funded by the very people for whom Labour getting in would be a disaster (clue: the very wealthy).

Can something explain how Corbyn is going to make a Venuezela situation happen here?

Dunno, Bertrand, but I can see him fucking up schools really quickly.

If you need to use the state school system or the nhs at any point in your life, or earn under £85K a year, you would be a fool to vote Tory

Why?

What- worse than Johnson has/will?

I just ask because I earn under 85k and have used the state school system and the NHS multiple times over the last 15 years and it's all gone pretty well.

Don’t worry, early polling suggests he certainly isn’t going to get in. The prospect of a Tory majority is far scarier and far more likely, if only because of Brexit.

Personally I’ll be voting for whoever is most likely to challenge the Tories in my area but it’s not clear if that’s Labour or the Lib Dems yet.

@Trewser

I didn’t write the post you’re responding to but I suspect it’s because the Tories would like to dismantle the NHS - past performance isn’t the issue!

Doesn't anyone suspect that the anti-Semitism within the Labour Party is a deliberate and sinister plot/plan coming from the super rich, who control so much, to undermine their credibility and popularity?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but super rich have a lot to lose by the revival of socialism.

suspect it’s because the Tories would like to dismantle the NHS

Do they? I've not heard that they want to dismantle it. Here's what they say:

tories nhs

Doesn't anyone suspect that the anti-Semitism within the Labour Party is a deliberate and sinister plot/plan coming from the super rich, who control so much, to undermine their credibility and popularity?

Yes, I think anti-semites do.

I think it’s possible to think that there is a serious anti semitism problem in the Labour Party and that it is being exploited by people who have vested interests in maintaining a Tory government. Politics is a very dirty business.

It's all up for grabs atm though, everyone exploiting everything about everyone.

Not sure that makes sense Bernard. There either is a problem or there isn't. There is, clearly. Why should talking about it be exploitation?

That's like saying the left are exploiting JRMs gaffe!

I’m just imagining Malcolm Tucker.

I think one of Labour’s big problems is that they no longer have any good spin doctors. They need Alasdair Campbell back.