Are you really that bothered about shared toilets?

[Beaverdam]

We were discussing this in work the other day. I really dont care about sharing toilets with males but some of the other women are really annoyed about the idea.

Are you annoyed about this? If so, what isit that you dont like about it? Do you think that the men will perve?

Unisex toilets in schools are the worst idea - endless problems. I still remember the utter humiliation when a boy climbed up on bins outside to look through ventilation windows at girls on the toilet in the last year of primary school...

Definitely. I don’t want to share with men, much more comfortable experience without them there.

I don't think men really want to share with women either. It's uncomfortable for near everyone. How will the elderly take to this? No one thinks about them. Young teenage girls in private windowless spaces with older men...? Will you let your young daughter use the public toilet in a restaurant knowing anyone can be in there? It's open to abuse. Why? Why are these changes being forced upon us? Because we all have to be involved in gender affirming therapy. So, you might have trust issues with the opposite sex, or their presence may make you feel uncomfortable but Dave here wants everyone to go along with him now being Deborah, and you the public just have to put up and shut up.

Umm everyone's wee stinks

Male urine has a much stronger smell, because of the testosterone.

This is grim, but I can tell which of the three males (one pre-teen, one teen, one adult) in my house who are all guilty of forgetting to flush has most recently used the loo based on the smell.

I dont like sharing toilets with men at all.

The men always leave the seat up. Thats enough for me to hate them.

Love it, I don't personally mind so therefore are incapable of imaging how other people feel or why they were needed to begin with.

Very honest of you to admit you don't feel empathy for other people.

Why are we always asking women if they mind? Ask men and most would say no to their daughters, mothers, sisters or partners having to use unisex toilets.

I don’t care and I’ve been in toilets where women have left it in a right state so it’s not just men that do it.

Yes, I am. Mainly because it’s part of an insidious encroachment on women’s spaces and boundaries. Men telling women they aren’t entitled to separate facilities, that their boundaries can be ignored, and that their concerns aren’t important. Move over, make way, play nicely and be quiet girls.

Also, Our toilets at work are unisex and there are no problems at all.

It doesn’t bother me, but I wouldn’t find being alone in an enclosed space with a male threatening; there are many women who would and that should be respected.

Yes, I'm bothered. I have a shy bladder and I'm physically unable to let go and pee if there's a man in the toilets. It's bad enough with a male cleaner - I always wait until he's gone.

Also I did online dating for a while and more than one man sent me videos of himself wanking in his works toilet ( obviously I blocked such men). I don't want to share toilets with men who do this and it seems a relatively common phenomena. I also know there is a popular male fetish concerning women peeing. Women who think all men only go into toilets to pee are very naive.

For those saying, oh we do this at work and there are no problems... It's not quite the same. People tend to be on their best behaviour at work. And I'll bet if work took a vote, people would vote to go back to having separate toilets.

Some very good points on here. Thanks everyone.

I cant imagine most men like sitting so close to sanpro bins either

Yes I do mind.

And my male OH minds very much that his DDs might be expected to accommodate men in their separate spaces.

We were in a unisex changing room today that has full length lockable doors and a clear open general entrance into a staffed area. (Asda.) Still plenty of room for hidden cameras. And yes, some men DO plant them in mixed spaces. In female spaces too, if they can get access.

Are some men predatory? Yes. Will shared toilets give them access to women in a vulnerable situation? Yes.
You'd think that would be enough of a reason to not go ahead with this stupid idea but it would appear womens rights are being pulled right out from under us.
At least the women in prisons have access to women only bathrooms... Oh wait a minute...

It’s fine if people aren’t bothered.

What’s not fine is when they think this means anyone who is bothered is being unreasonable.

So taking a poll, OP, is pretty pointless because as far as I’m concerned, one woman feeling uncomfortable for reasons she is under no obligation to share with anyone else, is enough to convince me things should stay single sex.

No, I’m not bothered in the slightest.

A poll based on this thread ( and similar ones) suggests that the majority of women here would rather separate female and male toilets. Some people are broadly neutral but would prefer separate facilities because they believe it would help other women. Sorted.

I once lived in a Sergeants Mess with 30 men. I was the only female. I knew every one of these men, trusted them and went to war with them. Rooms were set in blocks of 4 with a shared loo, shower and bath between the block.

In the first month of me living there the loo and shower room next door to my bedroom was designated for my use only. The female cleaners went to the RSM (in charge of the Mess) and told him that they were embarrassed by the state the 3 men in my 'block' left the bathroom in and the men had complained about the addition of a sanitary bin when I moved in.

I was too 'shy' (? uncomfortable because I was new) to say anything myself (I was the first women posted to that unit) and was forever thankful to those women. The men peed on the seat and left shit stains every single day. It was horrible...and I've lived in the mud and had to poo in holes I've dug many a time!

So yes, I am bothered by mixed sex facilities.

A third space would solve all the problems because then all those not bothered can use the unisex toilets and women who are bothered can continue to use the single sex ones.

For me if the toilets are totally separate - for example separate self contained sinks etc too I have no issue

I don’t like it. I just don’t like the idea of a man hearing me wee, take a dump or change my tampon.

Plus man wee stinks and most of the time their toilets are vile.