Are you really that bothered about shared toilets?

[Beaverdam]

We were discussing this in work the other day. I really dont care about sharing toilets with males but some of the other women are really annoyed about the idea.

Are you annoyed about this? If so, what isit that you dont like about it? Do you think that the men will perve?

I’ve had experience of shared toilets in a work environment and I hated them.

To be fair, the male colleagues that I encountered in the shared space were equally uncomfortable.

I really do t see the case or need for them.

"I also don't see how you'd be at any more risk of a sexual assault by having mixed toilet"

The crime stats show very clearly that the risks are higher for mixed loos, changing rooms etc than for single sex.

Fairly obvious why:
UK crime figures show that men commit 98% of the rapes and nearly all the lesser sexual offences too
So letting in men also lets in the minority of men who are sexual predators

If a bloke tries to enter a single sex loo, he can be called out, including by people outside.
He is conspicuous from the start

We have one shared toilet as a department at work. Men are dirty, and appear to assume superiority as they clearly dont look back and check theyre leaving the toilet clean.

One of the men keeps moving the sanitary bin for more room. I really want to say to him, ‘Ok dickhead, try imagining youve bad arthritis, now reach the bin, open it and put something inside it from a sitting position that remains comfortable. Oh you can, but only just? And youre 6 foot 3... think about it, nob.’ But i wont.

And it is one toilet room, with sink. They take FAR TOO LONG IN A 15 MINUTE BREAK TO POO. I want to shout through the door, either shit or get off the pot. There is a queue.

The dedicated men’s toilets stink. Absolutely stink.

I always assume people who have no Concerns over sharing a bathroom with men, dont have to do it on a daily basis.

It is Bad enough i have to share a toilet at home with my ds and dh.

I'm afraid it's not just women's perception that they are less safe in gender neutral toilets/changing rooms. Records show that the vast majority of sexual assaults occurring in changing rooms, occur in gender neutral changing rooms.

Stands to reason really - men commit the vast majority (98%) of sexual assaults - women are by far (90%) the most likely victims of sexual assault - facilities which are women-only are safer for women.

Begs the question - why are we not providing these simple protections of single sex spaces for women anymore?

I'm not comfortable with sharing toilets with strange men in any kind of stall and shared sink area arrangement. It makes me nervous and embarrassed in a way that sharing these facilities with strange women simply does not.

Why does my "no" need any more justification than that?

Why does my "no" need any more justification than that?

I absolutely agree. Comes down to women are always expected to be understanding and accommodating putting others first

pooopypants
Mixed sex changing rooms are associated with more than an 800% increase in sexual attacks on women compared to women only changing rooms.
Just under 90% of assaults take place in mixed sex changing rooms. Under half of all changing rooms are mixed sex.
they also increase the risk of voyeurism including hidden cameras.

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger-8lwbp8kgk

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7638537/Cameras-hidden-primary-schools-toilets-FIVE-years.html

Yes

No. Couldn't as long as urinals are in cubicles.

I don't get the fuss about changing tampons etc. Periods are a fact of life. Men know we have them!

Ummmm. These ideas about sharing facilities. Who is deciding this...?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv

Not bothered

Use the mens facilities then

Toddlerteaplease, doesn't mean you want random men around when you change them, though. Actually I'd rather be in a single room toilet to deal with period related things because nobody needs to know about it.

I wouldn’t like shared toilets. They make me very uncomfortable.

Honestly the women are bad enough in some toilets I've had to use at work. Let's not add more people to that mix please.

Where I swim there is a unisex changing area. I am always surprised to see how many people (male and female) have a shower, remove their swimming suit/trunks and then wander around with just a towel wrapped around them.

I must admit to being discombobulated when I arrived one evening to find the police in the changing room trying to deal with some antisocial behaviour from young men.

Interestingly they have separate toilets for the different genders.

I can't see the advantage of unisex changing areas or toilets when lots of people find it uncomfortable. Why is it done? Is it cheaper?

Its not about being 'bothered' OP . I can't believe you actually think this?

Its about being safe.

There is an alarmingly high rate of m on f assault in mixed areas.

Why would anyone even consider risking that exactly?

Not to mention mens loos are abhorrent unsanitary places where there is open masturbation and sex going on.

Cameras being hidden to spy on womens intimate spaces.

What is up with some men. Sickos, and a risk to women and children.

Numerous studies have shown that mixed sex toilets and changing facilities are more dangerous for women and girls than single sex facilities.

I think here should be family toilets everywhere for all the reasons above. Men’s toilets are disgusting and when he is looking after our young daughters he shouldn’t have to take them in there with him. But he has no choice .

Why are men’s toilets so disgusting? I know women’s can be as well, but men’s are consistently worse. These men can’t all behave like this at home, so why do so in public toilets?
To answer the OP, I avoid shared toilets as far as possible, because they’re often dirtier than women’s toilets and because they feel unsafe.

My DH and i dont even share a toilet. Men stink

Even a completely enclosed cubicle would not be pleasant with the wee everywhere and I reckon you would have a lot with both a loo and urinal so the urinal would be at head height when you sat down - grim.

Would men use the sink as a urinal?

A few years ago I worked in a small business where the office had two toilets, at opposite ends of a corridor, one male and one female. The ladies toilet was generally fine, pretty clean, and the men's was so dirty you could smell it from the other end of the corridor. In addition, the owner of the business was a territorial shitter and used to go to the ladies loo for his enormous, toilet blocking, dumps, leaving the female staff without access to a toilet for hours at a time until it was sorted out.

So, in addition to privacy and dignity, I also don't want to share toilets with men because the phenomena of territorial shitting seems to be an entirely male trait.

@ isabellerossignol - yes! Completely agree about the territorial shitting thing. So gross.