To think that calling transwomen Male terms is against guidelines?

[ChilledBee]

That said, it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions

So this is what Mumsnet say yet they allow threads which refer to the possibility of trans women using a changing room as "blokes". If I were a Trans woman considering giving my opinion around my presence in female changing rooms, hearing everyone refer to people like me as a man or a bloke would "hurtful" and "I'd struggle to engage". Why is this allowed, Mumsnet?

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis Butch dykes do not always roll their eyes as it takes time to desensitise yourself to it, because the 'you're not a proper Woman' BS is as old the hills in a heterosexual Feminine loves Masculine society and it's a source of self loathing until you've come to terms with it being Male ideals of Womanhood and irrelevant to a Woman at ease with her sexuality.

Now young butch Lesbians are hearing you actually are not a woman and that's backed up by science because a TW with no hormones or surgery is more womanly than you.

I'm glad you don't have any of the hang ups associated with being a woman society rejects because you are not feminine or supported enough to say fuck your ideals.
It's sad you're defending the narrative that is causing the distress because it doesn't affect you directly.

Self ID?

Are you able to consider any women who are not Hetero or pretty enough lesbians that Men 'forgive' them for denying all men sex?

Or is any gender issue about Men feeling out of place? because Women who are not Hetero and Feminine don't matter and are probably men anyway?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis Butch dykes do not always roll their eyes as it takes time to desensitise yourself to it, because the 'you're not a proper Woman' BS is as old the hills in a heterosexual Feminine loves Masculine society and it's a source of self loathing until you've come to terms with it
Ok, that's kind of making my point though - I wouldn't dream of going round calling lesbians dykey or blokey looking dyke, as you say it's meant to distress, as an insult, makes for general loathing?
Names clearly hurt according to what you just said.
So why is trans fair game? Just "hurty feelz" as gets trotted out?
No.

Have we got to the bottom of what the OP would call the man who is 'fake trans' yet?

And what the OP's determining factor to tell the difference is?

Im extremely annoyed at how horrible the people on here are against trans people or people to differ from the norm.

We are all human, what happened to being nice to each other.
There has been studies into trans people and their brains are the same as the gender they identify as. The brains of deceased trans people had been compare to those of the biological sex of the gender they transitioned into and the brains were the same.

Do you people even realise the pain trans people have to go through just to live normally.

Imagine if someone put your brain into the opposite sex body and you had to live with that. Would you put up with it or change your body to match your brain.

Just because a doctor decides you are male/female based on your genitals when you are born doesn't mean that is who you are.

People who just hate are uneducated harmful members of society.

The posters who say they don't want transwomen in female places, would you be happy with transmen in the places seeing as most transmen wont have bottom surgery and you wouldn't know this from looking at them from the outside.

Biological reality above wistfulness.
Biology cannot be eradicated, not in the literal sense. To deny biological differences, even with genital multination and drugs, is absurd. These absurd anti-science notions are affecting women's rights to have safe places to escape domestic science, use the toilets, get changed, compete in fair sports. Male crimes are being reported as women's crimes. To have everything to do with being a woman deemed offensive, to demand that women's biology is eradicated in order too save you from hurt feelings is outrageous. Women have suffered, women still do suffer, why strip what it means to be a woman? It is what you are born with. This entire thing reminds me of that Robot Sofia, who ended up with more rights than a real-life woman in that country. It is affecting LGB rights. The lists go as many other users as detailed more eloquently than myself.

I think the world needs to turn off their computer screens and embed themselves in reality. Not doing such, is hurting us all. Traumatised people are coming forward with their de-transitioning stories, I greatly admire their bravery and courage. I am sad they are scarred for life at least emotionally and often physically, they have my sympathy and I hope they receive the appropriate support. Society needs to take a long hard look at itself. Yes, I appreciate the irony, I am typing this online and here saying the world needs less of this. Just before that's pointed out to de-credit me, instead of de-credit my argument and my concerns.

Just because a doctor decides you are male/female based on your genitals when you are born doesn't mean that is who you are.

So, what happenes if a doctor gets a penis and vulva mixed up? Surely they go throught this at medical school? This is horrific.

The posters who say they don't want transwomen in female places, would you be happy with transmen in the places seeing as most transmen wont have bottom surgery and you wouldn't know this from looking at them from the outside

Some will say they're fine, of course they're happy,as they're bio women!
You can't always tell though, there was one transman's picture posted on one of these threads a while back, can't remember his name?
Buck?
I seriously wouldn't know just from looking that he was biologically female if he turned up in a cubicle next to me.

Deliberately pretending you missed the point

If Men are Women depending on how they act, dress and claiming to be lesbian than Butch lesbians no longer have a defence for not fucking men. (they need a defence that is a difference between them and TW)

Transwomen are NOT claiming they believe Lesbians want to fuck them.
Straight men are claiming they are Transwomen and that Lesbians want to fuck them. Straight and Bi women are agreeing that they are lesbians who fuck TW so it's the lesbians who are wrong
As is always the case no one is listening to actual lesbians.

Transwomen know what they are, Transwomen are not claiming they are suicidal when they are identified as Transwomen, it's the reason they are Transwomen

Arsehole Men claiming to be trans are claiming they are suicidal if you call them and their beard sir by mistake and it is offensive to pretend you cannot tell the difference between a straight man and a woman and a lesbian and idiots are claiming to be unable to tell the difference.

A transwoman who is genuine is hard as a fucking coffin nail in a way that you will never be. They are also really fucking rare so don't worry yourself you will likely never meet one

Men who want to shit on women are ten a penny and guess who keeps cropping up in the media claiming to be a delicate trans and on mumsnet being defended by the likes of you.

You wanna get lairy try someone who believes a generation of middle class people have become more delicate then the most vulnerable in society despite their backgrounds.....There's a lot of those people on tumblr that fit your criteria.

This is Mumsnet despite the censorship it aint tumblr yet

Biology cannot be eradicated, not in the literal sense
Who is eradicating biological reality though?
Most people know (I hope!) that transwomen aren't biologically women.
Just because some extremes might say they are biologically women, doesn't make it true.

Sorry, HumansareHorrible, but honestly studies have not shown any such thing.

I appreciate that the papers on the subject are dense and hard to read. But the differences seem are minor trends only, unlike the huge physical and physiological differences.

‘How people think’ is not a good way to tell the difference between the sexes.

It seems that a lot of people have it both ways.
They claim to believe in science and human biology. Yet they believe they are completely a woman, a female or vice-a-versa and should be embraced. Yet this notion is entirely against literal biological reality.

Some believe that they should enter women's sports, be accepted into places for vulnerable women and enter places where women are vulnerable, some believe it is wrong not to be attracted to a person because they're trans and not the actual gender they identify as. Some people do not agree with all these statements, yet claim they are fully women.

FlyingSquid is right, there were murmurings about such studies a number of years back but they’ve been thoroughly debunked since then and there’s (as far as I know) no real evidence that the make and female brain is different, apart from obviously in ways that could have been affected by society and environment rather than biology.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Same as the "N" word can be used between POC but it can still be considered an offensive term when it is used by other people under different circumstances. Do you go around calling people the "N" word claiming no one is going to tell you what to call them?

How dare you trivialise the racism that people of colour face? What makes you qualified to comment on this? It's absolutely not the same thing and you've immediately made yourself look like an absolute moron with no credibility for even suggesting such a ridiculous thing.
Men are men and always will be, no matter the foot stomping that demands otherwise.

There has been studies into trans people and their brains are the same as the gender they identify as.

No gay men have a similar activity to straight women

Likely the part of the brain concerned with being attracted to men

There is no conclusive study proving anything that is not paid for by a group with something to gain.

How dare you trivialise the racism that people of colour face?
They didn't trivialize though.
At all.
Just saying you rightly wouldn't go around calling black people the N word.
Why is it different when it comes to trans people?
This sentence though says it all from your post Men are men and always will be, no matter the foot stomping that demands otherwise

For as long as I live, I will never understand the sheer and utter desperation of women that are so determined to validate a man's feelings over another woman's desire for privacy and dignity in a single sex space.
Don't be horrible, don't be mean, be nicer.
All you woman haters on here just think about your immense betrayal of the Female sex.

Male Human Adult White-MAN
Male Human Adult Black -MAN

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While I appreciate your intent - I'm reporting your use of the N word.

Yes, I do.
One is racism though
One is transphobia when applied to transwomen though
BOTH unacceptable, even if you want to la la la stick fingers in ears and pretend otherwise.
In your world, are you saying that one is wrong but the other is all A-OK?
Can't get on board with that.
You do you though.

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Eh? What is?

While I appreciate your intent - I'm reporting your use of the N word
thank fk, reading that with revulsion, not just me then!

Hasn't been "forbidden" as such, Bertrand, but it is a pretty revolting word imo