Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

bottleofbeer

The anti semitism was a smear campaign ffs.

Ah, another case of selective vision. But if Labour people want to keep pretending it isn't there, then others will keep pointing out the uncomfortable truths:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jewish-labour-movement-wont-campaign-for-corbyn_uk_5dba8d6fe4b066da552c4e2b

The Jewish Labour Movement will not campaign for Jeremy Corbyn in the coming election and will support only a handful of MPs who have battled against anti-Semitism in the party.

Labour’s oldest affiliate organisation announced that for the first time in its 100-year history it would not be backing the party nationally because of the culture of anti-Jewish hate that had been “allowed to fester at all levels” since Corbyn became leader.

So is this Jewish group, who have stuck with the Labour Party for 100 years, campaigning for Attlee and Foot, now conducting a smear campaign against Corbyn? Do you think they are lying?

So Corbyn’s a Marxist but it’s the Tories who are being funded by Russia ...

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-russian-donors-have-stepped-tory-funding/

Yeah, a crim not an economist. Lucky really, I’m crap at maths.

Kind of explains why you think its a simple solution of asking Amazon et al to just pay more tax with an undertone of how labour can fix the globaised situation.

Corbyn offers simplistic soundbites to complex problems, its nothing more than populism with a backdrop of name calling the opposition, posting biased blog articles as source and complaining about the ever declining print media to brush of any criticism.

“ Corbyn offers simplistic soundbites to complex problems,”

As opposed to complex, reasoned points like “Get Brexit done” “40 new hospitals” “More police on the streets”

So Corbyn’s a Marxist but it’s the Tories who are being funded by Russia ... These are two completely different issues. Corbyn is a marxist and I don't want him running the economy. The Tories receiving funds from Russia is deeply sinister and needs investigation. The whole political scene is a shitshow. Extreme politics in the two main parties and decent politicians quitting in droves.

So Corbyn’s a Marxist but it’s the Tories who are being funded by Russia ...

Russian interference needs to be looked at, the Russia bogey man is not something to peg hopes onto though, especially considering the most vocal Russia apologists in recent years is high up in Labours ranks.

(Corbyn) has been in Parliament a very long time and no Labour leader - and some have been very good - saw anything positive in him to appoint him to a post in government or opposition

An interesting point, and one I confess I hadn't thought of

Perhaps past leaders considered him, not without reason, as being good for snarling from the backbenches but little else? Certainly it's a view the PLP seem to share, if the vote of no confidence was anything to go by

So Corbyn’s a Marxist but it’s the Tories who are being funded by Russia ...

Actually will be a bit more nuance after reading the article, yeah just as pissed of with this, kind of more resigned to it, but this is dodgy as fuck.

Another one fascinated by the accounts of Tories receiving Russian money; it's exactly the sort of thing I meant when writing about the need for clarity and accountability

It's also even worse because of the number of Russian oligarchs who used corruption to steal their assets from the state, when communism fell apart

Yes- party funding is a horribly murky issue.

@derxa I completely agree, politics these days is a cynical shit show. I see nothing new or shiny in labour, the tories or the SNP and don’t understand how anyone could feel any hopeful excitement about any of these, we are merely skirting around ecological disaster and distracting ourselves with backwards nationalism and discredited socialist policies from the 1970s.

Where are the smart solutions for complex global problems? Instead we’ve got the politics of destruction and parochialism.

Another one fascinated by the accounts of Tories receiving Russian money; it's exactly the sort of thing I meant when writing about the need for clarity and accountability

I am for sure, I'm watching a tailspin on some politics forums as why we should now respect the website when they did long read articles on Corbyn and Labour having an antisemite problem and it being smears despite it being openly a center left publication.

Still the intial story is highlighting seriously fucked up issues, personally going to wait for a bit more in depth analysis whilst siding with the articles findings.

Fuck sake, just saw this response to my post:
The anti semitism was a smear campaign ffs.

I've followed this whole sorry saga for months and months, mostly through the Jewish press.

Try [[https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/british-jews-told-me-they-plan-to-leave-if-corbyn-wins-conservative-chairman-james-cleverly-1.490987 this]]
or this
or maybe this
Or even this, which quotes a Jewish organisation as saying that many Labour-aligned Twitter accounts "claim that any mention of antisemitism is part of a conspiracy to ‘smear’ Corbyn and Labour".

I'm guessing that Jews know anti-semitism when they see it. Most of them think that Corbyn is antisemitic so, on balance, I'll go with their verdict.

Fuck sake, just saw this response to my post:
The anti semitism was a smear campaign ffs.

Ignore it, Corbyn has become a cult, it will be whitewashed with faux innocent questions, whataboutism against the tories and ignore that Labour are only the second political party alonng with the BNP to be investigated for institutional racism.

Just target economics and watch the dyed in the wool labour pro eu remainers tailspin in whataboutism and still try to follow party lines of being anti neolib agenda. Point out that Corbyn's bus for the NHS is as factual as Boris 350 million bus.

Labour/momentum are unfortunately happy to lose the Jewish vote, insignificant in numbers and if it means criticism of Magic Grandpa can be brushed aside all the better. The new lign of thinking that 'believe the victim' has just as many caveats that the right where trying to use a decade ago. It's horseshoe theory coming to mainstream politics and why some people should require an internet license.

Antisemitism is unacceptable, from any political party.

I'm surprised how many of the posters on here who are vilifying Jeremy Corbyn for associating with anti-semites and not stamping out anti-semitic behaviour effectively in the Labour party, seem OK with Johnson - whose Islamophobic comments were followed by a 374% increase in racist incidents against Muslims in the week after. And the other racist and homophobic slurs he's made of course.

Would anyone be able to explain why this is so I can understand? I think it's probably because Islamophobia is, sadly, widely accepted among Conservative members and voters, but I hope I'm wrong?

I'm surprised how many of the posters on here who are vilifying Jeremy Corbyn for associating with anti-semites and not stamping out anti-semitic behaviour effectively in the Labour party, seem OK with Johnson - whose Islamophobic comments were followed by a 374% increase in racist incidents against Muslims in the week after. And the other racist and homophobic slurs he's made of course.

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman

See what I mean

Alexander Johnson can stick his ego right up his letterbox. Wanker.

All I want for Christmas is JC4PM. (I like to come on here and say that at least once a year )

Islamophobic comments were followed by a 374% increase in racist incidents against Muslims in the week after.

Unironically citing a Tell MAMA poll as proof is why online political discussion has gone to shit.

Even the Guardian has recently dropped this source. Your a couple of years out of date.

@nanbread

Your analysis assumes that Corbyn’s detractors must be Johnson supporting tories. You are completely wrong in this: it is perfectly possible to despise both Corbyn and Johnson

@Justanotherlurker I'm not asking faux innocent questions it seems from this thread that the antisemitism is an issue for JC/ Labour, so I would like to understand why one party's apparent racism is OK but another's isn't? Or do people not think Johnson and others in Tory party are racist?

Your analysis assumes that Corbyn’s detractors must be Johnson supporting tories. You are completely wrong in this: it is perfectly possible to despise both Corbyn and Johnson

Oh I absolutely see that. Personally I'd rather neither. But come on, at least some of JC's detractors support BJ.

I would like to understand why one party's apparent racism is OK but another's isn't?

Who on this thread do you think believes that?

Unironically citing a Tell MAMA poll as proof is why online political discussion has gone to shit.

Good to know. I like learning new things.

Doesn't change the fact he made racist comments of course. Would love you're - I mean, your - thoughts on that bit.

All I want for Christmas is JC4PM.

Ah a rare life long labour supporter who has voted leave, I admire your anti neolib ideals in our globalised economy and think that Corbyn can offer simplistic solutions for complex globalised problems.

It's OK to be uneducated leaver, just don't try and pretend your an educated labour supporter in the current climate.

The fact that Johnson made racist comments has absolutely no bearing on Corbyn’s manifold and egregious deficiencies.