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Jeremy Corbyn

786 replies

salcombebabe · 30/10/2019 08:26

I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

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bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:04

Hyperbole about people being thick and then thanking the next person for a semblance of intelligent discussion 😂 brill.

I even know what the proles and the bourgeoisie are! Big words, well done but sadly I know what they mean.

Alsohuman · 05/11/2019 19:04

Is getting rid of private schools in the manifesto? I didn’t think anyone had seen it yet.

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:07

No it’s not! But state school kids will get a fair shot at the big gun unis.

8% of any given public school will have kids go to oxbridge compared to 4% of ALL state schools put together. He will just level that playing field.

I know. Absolute madman.

magicautumnalhues · 05/11/2019 19:08

It’s nuts that we spend so much going after benefit overpayments - it doesn’t mean that going after tax evaders won’t be any less pyrrhic. We need a better, more honest debate and more compassion and community.

Corbyn’s labour are as lying as the tories about who will pay and they are both sickening.

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:12

Why not make the likes of starbucks and amazon, multi billion pound businesses pay tax?

I know an ex HMRC employee who knows they will spend 300 quid to recover a 200 quid overpayment.

Meanwhile in amazon land...

Dapplegrey · 05/11/2019 19:14

as Graham Norton says, rich people ought to pay tax- we all benefit from a better society
Indeed they should but there are a lot of very rich people who would rather leave the country than pay higher tax.
Bertrand - do you think controls should be in place so money can’t leave the country?

MrsMaiselsMuff · 05/11/2019 19:17

1 in 50 households in the UK have had to use a food bank.

The number of food banks has risen from 40 in 2010 to over 400 in 2019.

That's just Trussell Trust figures, even more people are accessing local food banks.

People don't have enough to eat and you're moaning about private schools. How about we give all children the opportunity to make the most of themselves, irrespective of where they are born or how much their parents earn?

magicautumnalhues · 05/11/2019 19:17

But how do you make amazon pay? These companies have teams of multi national specialist tax accountants and lawyers. They probably pay for better expertise than HMRC has.

If it was easy, it wouldn’t be a global problem. I like Labour values but their solutions aren’t real solutions.

BertrandRussell · 05/11/2019 19:21

It’s entertaining how incredibly outraged people get if anyone suggests a policy that benefits poor people more than rich people.....

Alsohuman · 05/11/2019 19:22

It doesn’t entertain me, it breaks my heart.

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:23

MrsM, stop being so radical!

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:26

Why do you keep banging on about Marxism? When have any labour policies talked about violently overthrowing anybody?

I’d like a nice democratic vote where labour win. Although if I was allowed to throw one good punch at Boris and get away with it...

BertrandRussell · 05/11/2019 19:26

The outrage is quite funny, thought “They want me to pay another 5% tax- the Marxists!”

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:28

It is literally the standard fall back argument.

Marxists! 😂

magicautumnalhues · 05/11/2019 19:30

A bad policy that won’t work is a bad policy, whoever the supposed beneficiaries are. I’d love it if Corbyn does solve multi national tax dodging, seems vanishingly small odds.

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:31

Marx was correct in what he said about capitalism and the elite ruling classes.

However, we all know communism doesn’t work. Nice idea...though.

For the many, not the few. That really is all.

CendrillonSings · 05/11/2019 19:33

Remember to be entertained when the electorate once again kicks socialism in the teeth! Grin

MrsDoylesTea · 05/11/2019 19:34

I'm not moaning about private schools. I'm saying that seizing property is banana republic stuff, and there will be more cost to the taxpayer if all of these pupils were readmitted into the comprehensive system.

Rather than all the Socialist Worker class-war stuff, how about a less emotional discussion? Like acknowledging that people with private medical care, and children that go to private school ease the burden on the taxpayer. Be practical and think that that's a good thing rather than creating a bigger problem through some pure socialist ideology. And I'm sorry, but whilst I can't afford to send my kids to private school, I don't begrudge those that can. I don't know what life choices they have made to do that. Do you begrudge people with bigger houses? Better cars? I'm afraid sometime life just isn't fair and equitable.

I don't think Corbyn supporters understand - the tax burden has increased quite dramatically on higher earners. Those that I know want to help the worse off but are at their limits - not just financially but also the attacks they get all the time from people accusing them of not paying their way when many of them are. You WILL drive them away, and there won't be the taxes to pay for it. Seriously.

I know a number of middle-earners, many of whom work at multi-nationals who are looking at roles in other subsiduaries because they think a Labour government will ultimately end up back in the days of a 98% tax rate. How can that be fair? These are not the super-rich. They are the people that pay for the NHS that you all treasure so much, benefits etc. Why do you think McDonnell had to have fiscal contingency plans for when the pound tanked if Labour got in at the last election? Businesses are terriified, and whilst you might not like them, we need them.

derxa · 05/11/2019 19:36

In 2006, McDonnell said that "Marx, Lenin and Trotsky" were his "most significant" intellectual influences.[35] Footage emerged of McDonnell in 2013 talking about the financial crisis of 2007–2008 and stating, "I've been waiting for this for a generation! We’ve got to demand systemic change. Look, I’m straight, I’m honest with people: I’m a Marxist."[36] He was accused of celebrating the financial crisis of 2007–2008; McDonnell denied the allegation and claimed he was "joking".[36] During an interview with Andrew Marr when the footage was played and McDonnell was asked, "Are you a Marxist?", he replied: "I believe there's a lot to learn from reading Kapital, yes of course there is, and that's been recommended not just by me but many others, mainstream economists as well".[37] In 2018, McDonnell attended the Marx 200 conference and stated that "Marxism is about the freedom of spirit, the development of life chances, the enhancement of democracy".[38] In 2019, McDonnell during an interview stated that Marx’s Kapital is “one of the important analyses of the modern capitalist system
But John McDonnell is a Marxist. What that means in practice I don't know. We actually haven't seen his election manifesto yet.

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:36

Ok, ok. I’m a criminologist. Which I’m sure you know is basically sociology (no point trying to bamboozle me with with words like ‘bourgeoisie’ - not that you did) I know this stuff.

In fact I think sociology should be a core school subject.

For a start we can pay people a living wage, then we won’t have to spend more on chasing an overpayment than the actual amount of said overpayment.

Yeah, we do that by higher taxes for the rich. The only people the conservative will look after are themselves and the rich. The Tory voter is misguided or rich. To see which one you are, look in your purse.

MrsDoylesTea · 05/11/2019 19:37

Oh, and Bertrand, i take back what I said earlier about intelligent conversation - you've gone off on broad strokes attacks as well - you and bottleofbeer enjoy your little Hale and Pace backslapping sneery 'banter'!

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:40

If he’s got Marxist ideals then to me, that means he sees capitalism as the exploitation of the poor as a means of keeping the elite in the style of which they have become accustomed.

I seriously doubt he’s chomping for a nice bit of communism. The system is set up to benefit the rich. Austerity? The poor suffer more because the bankers fucked up. Still getting some nice fat bonuses eh?

magicautumnalhues · 05/11/2019 19:40

Come on, it’ll be higher taxes for anybody that pays tax, that’s what all these promises add up to. I’m okay with that, but people should know what they’re signing up for and not be misled. I’d rather a team with economic competence was in charge though

bottleofbeer · 05/11/2019 19:41

Intelligent conversation when the best you’ve got is MARXIST!?