Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

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"When the rich are getting richer and not paying their taxes" - where's your evidence of that? It's such a trite, throwaway Momentum line...

Read up on it - under the Conservatives not only did Child Benefit go for higher earners (appreciate this isn't tax but still an effective cut) but also so does personal allowance for higher earners - meaning anyone earning over £130k gets no personal allowance whilst the starting tax rate for lower earners has been increased. All things that Labour didn't do.

I really wish people would stop with the throwaway comments and actually realise the 'rich' now pay more than they used to - how about some credit for that instead of peddling the politics of envy all the time...

the rhetoric about the idle rich, billionaires and tax dodging multi nationals like Starbucks and google is all very heart warming and non specific but who is labour really going to be able to squeeze? The PAYE mugs as usual who are already paying. For a labour team that mercilessly rips into new labourites, their slogans are just as misleading and cynical.

I suspect it is rathee theoretical as Labour is probably unlikely to gain power.They have not an an election since 2005.

Good ponts from Mrs Doyle there. I remember my father in the 1970s had tax relief on mortgage. Tax relief on money covenanted to relatives. Big pension deductions from tax (I think no life time cap in the way there is now). Allowance for his wife (much bigger than today's paltry one). Probably child tax allowances before child benefit came in. Certainly a single person tax allowance and of course free university education for the children other than their rent (minimm grant was quite low). So over all even though 1970s taxation bands went up higher I suspect the overall tax burden was less then than now.

Harold Wilson said he would tax the rich until the pips squeaked which like Corbyn today was a very popular line in its day but there is a limited amount you can take from those already paying almost 50% income tax/NI, 9% student tax, £20k per baby a year full time childcare costs, massive rents/mortgages in the places where there are jobs.

Labour probably will target those with homes. They have been quite quiet on the proposed capital / property taxes.

When the rich are getting richer and not paying their taxes

Er no. The top 1% already pay 27% of the UK's income tax. Any good ideas as to how we would replace their tax revenue if they decide not to hang around in the event of a Corbyn/Mcdonnell government?

“ The top 1% already pay 27% of the UK's income tax”

But lower earners pay a higher % of their income as tax. It’s not just income tax, you know. And as Graham Norton says, rich people ought to pay tax- we all benefit from a better society.

That’s another nebulous slogan though isn’t it that we can all, in principle agree to. I’d like to know exactly how they plan to get ‘rich’ people that aren’t paying tax.

I’d like to know exactly how they plan to get ‘rich’ people that aren’t paying tax.

Close some of the loopholes for a start. BTL landlords and people working through limited companies evade shedloads of tax. Make the fines more punitive than paying tax.

Ffs will people PLEASE wake up to what the Tory’s have done and will continue to do.

It’s like the frog in boiling water analogy. If someone told you how bad things would be ten years ago you’d be horrified. We’re becoming immune to massive increases in child poverty, homelessness, food banks. I could go on and on.

Socialism gave you the NHS, free education and a welfare safety net.

Where’s the evidence for this supposed tax evasion? All governments want to maximise tax takes and fines on limited companies are already hefty if you can catch them. It’s much harder than PAYE.

pie in the sky and meanwhile the rich will become all the PAYE people. The IFS says that we all need an honest debate about all of us paying more tax - pretending that it’s those people over there, the others, is dishonest.

Actually people need to wake up to the horror of what a Corbyn government would be like. It's not socialism, the cuddly NHS, education and welfare type, it's far left Marxism. Businesses will genuinely leave. Higher rate tax payers will genuinely leave.

And you can sit there and congratulate yourselves on getting rid of the "parasites". But there will not be the money you need any more for this Utopian socialist country as you will have scared off the people who you believe should pay for it without complaint.

Educate yourselves on 3 day weeks and winter of discontent and the type of 70s UK Corbyn will take us back to. And it's not even just Corbyn - look at Abbott, McDonnell, Long-Bailey, Pidock - and just imagine these NUS-lite wannabes actually representing the UK to the rest of the world. It's absolutely stomach-churning.

I wondered when someone would mention Marxism. Go all out and throw communism in there too! Gwaaaannnn!

Kids going to school hungry churns my stomach personally.

“ Where’s the evidence for this supposed tax evasion?”
I think the HMRC estimates about 5 billion lost to the revenue annually through tax evasion.

Where’s the evidence for this supposed tax evasion?

How about letting agents now have to supply the details of all the landlords on their books to HMRC? I wonder why that is? Meanwhile the ones who don’t use agents still get away with it. I’ve personally heard Ltd Co owners boast about their token salary and the reduced rate they pay on dividends and no NI.

Great - the usual sneery response "I wondered when someone would mention Marxism. Go all out and throw communism in there too! Gwaaaannnn!" - seriously, are Corbyn fans incapable of grown-up debate?

"“ Where’s the evidence for this supposed tax evasion?”
I think the HMRC estimates about 5 billion lost to the revenue annually through tax evasion"

Individuals or businesses?

The hmrc estimates it - but they aren’t able to recover it are they, or they would. And it’ll cost money to try and collect it.

I’m all for it, but I don’t think it’s the silver bullet.

“ just imagine these NUS-lite wannabes actually representing the UK to the rest of the world. It's absolutely stomach-churning“
Rather them than Johnson and Rees-Mogg- the Oxford Union-lite wannabees.......

Yeah coz we’re all thick.

Socialism isn’t communism you know?

“ seriously, are Corbyn fans incapable of grown-up debate?”
I am. Explain about the Marxism.

You’ll find very few Corbyn fans here @MrsDoylesTea. What you’re reading is by people absolutely sickened by the polarisation of our society and the inhumane effects of austerity.

"Yeah coz we’re all thick." - and again with the hyperbole... Who said that exactly?

You know HMRC pays more money out to reclaim an overpayment to sayyyy, a single mum than the overpayments amounts to?

Tax avoidance? Meh!

Overpayment? No, can’t be having that. There will be re runs of benefit street before this election.

Your username is great though Alsohuman.

The people who will die on the streets tonight are too.

Thanks BertrandRussell for a semblance of intelligent discussion. Given that Marxism is the belief that the working class (proletariat) will violently overthrow the bourgeois (the high classes) in order to equal out classes and establish a socialist society, don't you think dissolving private schools and taking their property has the hint of that to it?

And seizing 10% of a company to 'gift' to employees?