Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

So he’s not “championing” it any more. As I said, pure melodrama.

So he’s not “championing” it any more.

The fact that Venezuela turned into a bankrupt socialist hellhole shortly after he championed it has indeed made that more difficult for him.

Still, he and his followers have heaped praise on it many times during the present decade:

reaction.life/ten-times-corbynistas-praised-chavez-maduros-venezuela/

Facts hurt, I know, but they're kind of important.

Facts hurt, I know, but they're kind of important.

Sadly, these conversations always end up the same way. Any ‘anti-Corbyn’ facts are dismissed as right-wing smear, hearsay, biased etc. Presented with the facts, Corbyn fans will shout “where are the facts?”

OTOH, Corbyn fans are happy to buy into conspiracy theories about other politicians - provided they suit their own political views.

It’s really quite weird. I’ve never known a situation before where supporters of a political party are so worshipful of the party’s leader.

I’m prepared to bet most die-hard conservative voters are not deluded about Boris.

I've read through the anti-semitism links with interest. I am strictly anti-Corbyn but have had some sympathy for him regarding the anti-semitism accusations in the past, but he does seem to be keeping some pretty bad company e.g. Holocaust deniers.

I’m prepared to bet most die-hard conservative voters are not deluded about Boris.

Quite right.

I'm way more concerned about Corbyn's plans to seize assets. Let's hope that his ambitions are tempered by a coalition, should the Conservative party either lose or fall short of assembling a coalition.

A lot of Labour voters, including me, are heartily fed up with Corbyn. As has already been pointed out, a decent leader of the opposition would have wiped the floor with this excuse for a government. We’re just not prepared to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are plenty of Boris worshippers out there. Try reading Allison Pearson for some embarrassing fan girling.

I read Allison Pearson most days, are you usually so sexist about conservative women journalists?

It’s hardly sexist to point out she licks her leader’s arse.

I tihnk Corbyn is well meaning and I don't think he's wicked or anti semitic but I don't support his policies and I do support Tory policies. At the end of the day most people in the UK vote based on policies not particular leaders.

Every vote counts so I do not hope people do turn out in large numbers even if it is to try to cancel out my Tory vote (although I am in a 60% Tory constituency although getting a new MP so suspect it will remain in Conservative hands - in fact I htink Boris J should swap to our safer near by London constituency for the December election)..

It’s hardly sexist to point out she licks her leader’s arse.

Come on, Corbyn has been idolised since he was put up for nomination by accident.

For every Allison Pearson you can find 2 or more arse licking corbyn bloggers.

Just take a glance of the widely discredited Sqwarkbox and Canary for a start.

It’s really quite weird. I’ve never known a situation before where supporters of a political party are so worshipful of the party’s leader.

The thing is a lot of Corbyn supporters don't worship or idolise him, they can see he's just human and has many faults including several of his policies, however so much shit and so many false accusations get chucked around about him, my fb feed is getting full of the Corbyn was in the IRA nonsense once again, so we end up having to stand up against all the bollocks, and then because it's such unbelievable bollocks we end up looking like fanatic supporters rather than people who are just sick of the ridiculous lies that get shared.

Yes and the same goes for poor old Boris J. The amount of naasty comment people make about our political leaders these days is dreadful.

You could make the same post happiness makes above about Corbyn about Boris J too.

However I trust the British people. hey can see through lies about both leaders and they will reach the right decision in December.

Quite right, Xenia.

I wonder how many of those who quote Boris's 'watermelon smiles' as proof of his purported racism have actually read the article in its entirety.

It’s his perpetual lies I object to.

It is extraordinary what Johnson can get away with. Every time something happens I think “Surely he has to go now” but nope. He’s still there.

There seems to be this soundproof box that all Johnson’s lies and gaffes and cock ups get dropped into and they are never heard of again. It’s inexplicable. Unless the press and media are biased in his favour. And that can’t possibly be true.....

This thread is about Jeremy Corbyn Bert. Any opinion on his association with Holocaust deniers or his praising of anti-Semites or the reams and reams of evidence of his own anti-Semitism?

This thread is about Jeremy Corbyn Bert. Any opinion on his association with Holocaust deniers or his praising of anti-Semites or the reams and reams of evidence of his own anti-Semitism?

And don't forget the anti-semitic views of some of this year's prospective labour candidates. Try googling Matthew Collings, Zarah Sultana and Ali Milani for starters.....

Plus Aysha Raza and Luke Cresswell, both initially shortlisted as candidates despite having been repeatedly reported for anti-Semitism.

I know it’s about Jeremy Corbyn. I just think it’s interesting that Corbyn is still being “reminded” of the fact that he he was connected with a man who turned out to be a Holocaust denier years later, but Johnson’s hideous behaviour melts away like morning mist.

i do think there is anti Semitic in the Labour Party. I think there is anti Semitism in society at large. I don’t think Corbyn is personally an anti Semite. However I do think that left wing politics has always been fellow travellers with groups that are anti Semitic at the extreme ends. In the same way that they are with groups that support the Republican cause in Northern Ireland. And the way the Tories are associated with groups that support the Unionist cause.

I just think it’s interesting that Corbyn is still being “reminded” of the fact that he he was connected with a man who turned out to be a Holocaust denier years later

Eh? I'm talking about Paul Eisen who has been out as a Holocaust denier for several years including publishing essays on it back in 2005 and Corbyn was still meeting up with his group for almost a decade after that!

But yes he seems to spend an awful lot of time with anti-Semites for somebody who apparently isn't anti-Semitic himself, and is then repeatedly forced to deny having known anything about anything. He is therefore either an anti-Semite or the most unobservant, unquestioning, stupid politician in history. Either way not someone who should be PM.

I think it's interesting that the left can defend the nuance of anti-Israeli politics while claiming to defend the interests of the Jewish people, but they're very quick to say that anyone who questions the wisdom of EU freedom of movement is a racist.

I think it's good and right to question Israel and I was pleased to see that Corbyn refused to sign to the 'definition' of anti-Semitism on the basis that it included certain types of criticism of Israel. I hate these attempts to get people to 'sign up' for terms of debate (mostly the left) and I viewed it as a show of integrity.

Keeping company with holocaust deniers or terrorists is not OK. Obviously.

On the main, I think he's an absolute disaster and really has to go.

I'm way more concerned about Corbyn's plans to seize assets.

Labour's plan would be to have those national assets that WE own work for the GBP.

Tory plans are to SELL those assets to U.S. multinational corporations and hike prices for the GBP.

Wake up.

I might buy that Corbyn is merely legitimately criticising Israel if he didn't also sing the praises of a dictatorship in the same region. That he saves all his ire for the only Jewish state on earth whilst taking money from a regime that executes gay people is something that I've never seen any possible reasonable explanation for, even from the most fervent Corbyn supporters.

Totally agree Glitch.

There's a lot to criticise about Israel. I think though, that the left, if they want to claim the high ground in the debate, they must address the fact that they like to hold Israel to a much higher standard than a lot of its absolutely bonkers neighbours.

I spend a lot of time with pro-Palestinian people, so I'm very familiar with the whole scene.