Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

His policies are weak.
I believe he is an anti-Semite.
He is a weak leader of his party who cannot genuinely rally them.

I say this is a left of centre person who would never vote Tory. I can safely vote green in my constituency but if I lived somewhere else i wouldn't know what to do.

@OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg please don’t commit suicide, if you ever get to that point call the Samaritans or hell even DM me and I’ll listen.

Thank you Dervel, I do really appreciate that kind thought. This isn't arising out of depression or anything like that though; I've been dirt poor and struggled before and simply can't face going back there with the added layer of disability. It would be a pragmatic decision, a cheaper version of Dignitas if you like. I don't feel suicidal at the moment - angry, frustrated and worried for the future under even more punitive and dehumanising Tory policies, certainly.

I vote for a party based on their policies, not their leader or whether my family or peers vote for a certain party. Absolutely baffled why people vote this way, even more so that they would trust a Murdoch newspaper over other sources.

Not a huge fan of Jeremy, but at least there is an attempt to make society fairer and I trust Labour to at least deliver on some of their promises they make, although I'm sure they can't deliver everything they promise. I find the Tories give a little with one hand and take more with the other. The main reason for austerity - to reduce the deficit - has not worked and the 1% have got richer. Very suspect! They have totally failed with the housing crisis, which is my main issue. I won't be voting for them.

I'm not sure who I will vote for. I will look at what each party has to offer first. Labour tend to campaign much more than other parties in my area, so they have more chance of persuading me. Sadly live in a Tory stronghold, so a bit pointless voting really.

@Monsterinmyfoooof

The main reason for austerity - to reduce the deficit - has not worked and the 1% have got richer. Very suspect!

Maybe you yourself should stop reading partisan press.

The deficit is now in line with EU acceptance of ~3%

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39897498

Now if you try and shift it onto debt, then it is quite clear you have no understanding of what you are trying to make such a statement on.

As much as I vowed never to vote...especially for Corbyn

I have to say I'm almost tempted (read very tempted) for no other reason than the fact he's promised to Go after the Buy-To-Let-Market
Nothing would bring a bigger smile to my face than destroying the greedy landlords holds over properties....NOTHING

Cannot put into words my absolute hatred towards these parasites that happily fuck others simply to create more un-earnt money for themselves.

the smile it would bring to my face would be E N O R M O U S

I have to say I'm almost tempted (read very tempted) for no other reason than the fact he's promised to Go after the Buy-To-Let-Market

That's a really weird understatement of what he is sounding out, he is behind the curve on the Tories actually regulating the BTL market and highlighting it is now a taxable source.

I do give you a gold star in trying to spin Corbyn's/labour's terrible idea as ground breaking though, but then again I am not in the know as I don't read the factual Canary.

If you are after "having a go" at the Buy To Let market, not sure why you would be against any other of Corbyn's wizard wheezes.

yawn.... the Guardian really is best used as toilet paper not as a source of economic opinion.

actually both Tories and Labour want to get rid of private landlords and put all rentals in the hands of the housing associations and similar corporations. Do be careful what you wish for...

Those of you in your 20s who have never been ill might think differently once you, or someone very close to you, have experienced poverty, unemployment, redundancy, homelessness (or the threat of it) and some of the illness that can unexpectedly come with mid life and beyond.

And no matter how secure you might think you are, people can lose fortunes. Relationships can end. Employers can fold. And we have only experienced the thin edge of the wedge so far, but climate change alone can alter everything.

Despite the fact so many of them toddle along to church every now and then (when there are journalists about, anyway, so at remembrance services and Christmas), the majority of Tories don't care about anything but the short-term, and anyone but the rich; and their general track record isn't fantastic on women and anyone who's not Caucasian either. And as for wealthy people putting money back into the British economy - how come so many of them have offshore accounts then? Those dots don't join up for me.

I'd most like to vote Green but as the best option for me to get these cynical, media-manipulating, sexist, racist twonks out of power in my constituency is voting Labour. Voting Tory for me is the epitome of the "I'm all right Jack, sod you" culture. It would mean I don't care about the poor, the homeless, refugees, the disabled, the old, women...I could go on. And that's without even mentioning education, apprenticeships, the NHS, the infrastructure, the armed forces, the emergency services, starving local councils of money so people who don't know any better will blame them, sticking bribes in the pockets of the DUP (the DUP - if you want to see right-wing intolerance at work just look into their policies - the only time they've even set foot in Stormont in the last few years was related to the abortion bill - shows you how much they care about the state of Northern Ireland in general). So even though I might not agree with all of Corbyn's policies or way of demonstrating them, for me, Labour for me remains the overall best option in England of the chance of a change in regime. (Not that it'll work where I currently live, probably - the only political colour anyone recognises is True Blue. I could speak truth from now until Doomsday and they still wouldn't listen to reason.)

Jeremy Corbyn despite representing Islington North for decades is MP for one of the worst constituencies for housing in the country. I think after failing to make a dent I don’t see how giving him more power when he hasn’t made a dent with what he has is very wise at all.

@mencken

yawn.... the Guardian really is best used as toilet paper not as a source of economic opinion

What a stupid, as well as ignorant, post. You might not agree with what they write, but their financial/economic writers and journalists are highly experienced and pretty astute people.

Urgh, The Guardian. It’s full of champagne socialists and painfully ‘woke’. The Liberal Elite at its worst

OK. Please define for me:

'champagne socialists'
'The Liberal Elite'

because those are lazy

Come on, don't pretend you don't know the term champagne socialism and try and straw man some argument.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist

It is widely known that harks back to Orwell criticism of the middle class left.

because those are lazy

It's not as lazy as pretending the Tories are far right or we are heading back to the 1930's

Build a better straw man.

I'd like to know what you mean by them. Otherwise, yes, it's lazy.

Just linking to Wiki is also lazy

Just to help you out, this is from Wik

In the UK, the term is often used by right-wing critics to disparage political opponents by implying that only privileged people can hold left-wing views.[2] The champagne socialist espouses leftist views while enjoying a luxurious lifestyle; one example might include Labour Party supporters who stereotypically live in Inner London and read The Guardian.

This is totally insulting. The implication that just because you earn a certain amount of money, which affords a certain lifestyle, so means that you can't espouse views that support those who are less fortunate.

Or, equally, that you wouldn't support those who are less fortunate.

Wiki, not Wik!

BIWI I use that term to describe those who are wealthy, preach left-wing ideas and then go on to find any means possible of avoiding paying tax. I should introduce you to my FIL, he is my textbook definition. The ‘nasty’ corporations could take lessons on tax avoidance from him.

But, you see, the term is also used pejoratively to describe anyone who isn't 'poor'.

I'm definitely one of the 'Champagne socialists'. Look - I'm even using correct spelling! - but that doesn't mean that I can't be a Labour voter. And that's where the laziness comes from.

I pay my taxes like anyone else.

Because he wants to take us back to the 1970's when the country was on its knees thanks to the unions.
I lived through the 70's Labour years and never want to again.

I find it hard to believe that a man with one o level is intellectually equipped to lead a political party, let alone run the country and deal with the added complexities of Brexit! And that's before we start on the anti semitism and the costs of renationalising all the utility companies and railways. Thankfully, he is not an issue in my Scottish constituency. The SNP here only have a 27 vote lead over the Tories, so my priority is voting Tory to try and stop another damn independence referendum.

I'd like to know what you mean by them. Otherwise, yes, it's lazy.

No it isn't you are trying to build up a straw man, its ia continuation of the stereotype of Ivory tower socialism that orwell speaks of.

Just linking to Wiki is also lazy

Ask lazy questions, expect lazy answers.

This is totally insulting. The implication that just because you earn a certain amount of money, which affords a certain lifestyle, so means that you can't espouse views that support those who are less fortunate.

No it isn't. It's just basic hypocrisy that has been played out over the years for it to become a stereo type. Its part of the reason why Labour are in a current shit show and purging centrists.

Stereotypes are there for a reason and they catch on because it can be widely acknowledged, you being offended and faux innocence doesn't mean the term is wrong or offensive.

He is anti-semetic and an apologist for terrorists. Need I elaborate?