Jeremy Corbyn

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I see so many posters saying they won’t vote for Labour as they don’t like Jeremy Corbyn - why? If the Labour policies are good then why not vote for those rather than the leader?

Can you give me some examples of the far left policies labour plans/wants to implement?

Are you being serious? Can you not see quite clearly why the majority of the voting public would perceive current Labour policy as far left?

Are you being serious? Can you not see quite clearly why the majority of the voting public would perceive current Labour policy as far left?

You will be told you're wrong, under the guise of not being informed because you listen to the right wing media.

The same people who offer faux ignorance as to who pulls the strings in labour are far left are the same people who call the tories far right.

Election times on MN are always fun, the amount of Momentum bots run on emotional pull overdrive for the next few month, with the inevitable meme posts the day after the election that their 4 year old DC are crying because of the result.

I give it a week before there are cry's of Tory Bots targeting MN

I am a high rate tax payer but like him. And want a redistributive labour government, as do a lot of my friends.

Well done. 10 points to Hufflepuff. Unfortunately, you’ve not actually addressed the OP’s question but have not squandered the opportunity to virtue signal.

He is genuine, compassionate and has empathy. Everything I want in a prime minister.

Except when it comes to acknowledging the survivors of child sex abuse crimes over a 30 year period in homes in his own constituency in Islington, going back to the 1990s. At every step he has refused to acknowledge or comment on their plight. If he’s so decent, why doesn’t he care about the most vulnerable in his remit?

www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/crime-court/islington-kids-homes-scandal-why-did-police-pull-plug-on-new-child-abuse-probe-1-5022869

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11758612/Jeremy-Corbyn-accused-of-inaction-over-paedophile-scandal.html

I am a high rate tax payer but like him. And want a redistributive labour government, as do a lot of my friends.

On an anonymous forum that allows name changing, that is such a heart felt valiant statement to make, it will surely change someones opinion I'm sure..

He is genuine

Talk about being fooled by the media.

You only have to look at his voting record on EU integration to show you easily led by headlines.

Well, you can prove anything using Google. Whether JC fans and diehard Labour supporters like it or not, there are many voters who just don’t see BJ as ‘far right’ as they do.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-opposes-david-cameron-over-housing-benefit-cut-2118975.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11697680/Boris-Johnson-attacks-firm-that-use-tax-credits-to-keep-pay-down.html

Lack of leadership of his party does not bode well for leading the entire country so despite being a labour voter since I was 18 it's a no from me

He's an anti-Semite. That to me means that I cannot vote Labour whilst he's the leader. He may have some policies I like, but history shows that dangerous politicians start with crowd-pleasing policies and that is too big a risk to take.

Are you being serious? Can you not see quite clearly why the majority of the voting public would perceive current Labour policy as far left?

So.... no you can't then?

You will be told you're wrong, under the guise of not being informed because you listen to the right wing media.

Well, you'll be told you're wrong because you're wrong. By me at least. Anyone who thinks currently proposed labour policies are far left, hard left or extreme left, obviously is misinformed, by very definition.

The same people who offer faux ignorance as to who pulls the strings in labour are far left are the same people who call the tories far right

The Tories are not far right. Far right and far left are not really relative concepts. Just because Corbyn is less centrist than other recent Labour leaders does not make him far left.

BTW I have never voted labour in my life. It kind of pains me that I have to point that out in a political discussion for fear of my argument being labelled as grounded purely in partisanship, but that's the way political discussions seem to be these days I suppose.

Why don't Jewdas think he's an anti semite?

Why is it okay to reject an anti-semite but not an Islamophobe?

The idea of social equality is a far left idea.

His comments on the burka are reasonable and accurate and he doesn’t believe in banning it.

On what planet is saying a Muslim woman in a burka looks like a letterbox reasonable?

I suppose his "watermelons" and "picaninnies" remark about black people was reasonable too?

I'm half Jewish and scared to say so in public because of the monster of antisemitism he has unleashed.
I'm half Irish with a long memory of what a twat he was shaking hands with Adams after the Brighton bomb. And how his acolytes want to take credit for him that properly belongs to a dead woman, Mo Mowlem. He had no role in the peace process.
And my local Labour MP, while otherwise a decent thoughtful hardworking bloke is on the wrong side of a local environmental issue.
I will only vote Labour to stop the Brexshit Party/Tory Party in my constituency.

Why don't Jewdas think he's an anti semite?

A much older and bigger Jewish organisation does. The Jewish Labour Movement (formerly Poale Zion) has severed its ties to Corbyn’s Labour Party and refuse to campaign for him in the forthcoming election.

Tells you all you need to know.

Are you being serious? Can you not see quite clearly why the majority of the voting public would perceive current Labour policy as far left So.... no you can't then?

Nationalising public utilities- Great idea in theory, but how much will it cost to buy back all the shares in those companies? If it was a choice between putting more money into the NHS or buying back British Gas, Id rather leave British Gas where it was. Especially as my public sector pension, as well as millions of other public sector pensions invest in the stock market, so the public sector pension pot will also need topping up.
Forcing private schools into the public sector. Are they going to buy the buildings? Prime real estate? How will they then get 7% more teachers to teach the children now forced onto the public sector? Get Private schools to pay VAT? They cant do that if we're in the EU. I don't care that private schools exist, as long as good state schools exist. Is the money from 'taxing the rich' going to go to improving the State sector first, or is it all going to go into buying out private schools?
Giving tenants right to buy their properties from private landlords? They can do that now. Unscrupulous landlords usually have tenants who cant afford to live anywhere else. There is a reason why the first thing Communist regimes do is forcibly grab land from their citizens. Its because its the only way to 'redistribute' wealth in the way they want it. Except they end up 'redistributing' it to themselves and their cronies or giving their sons cushy jobs in the Party
Extend freedom of movement to everyone - Real vote winner among the working class traditional Labour voting Brexit voter.
Or are all those things pie in the sky nonsense? What will they actually do that's not all hot air?

I agree with drankthecoolaid
I find JC incredibly insincere too, and I feel angry that we have such a shambles of an opposition, just when we need strength.

I honestly could weep, because while I probably agree with more Labour policies than any other party (not those about seizing private assets and definitely not the blind adherence to self-ID), I can see that through a combination of JC's poor decisions and to a certain extent media bias, swathes of voters have been turned away from Labour. And I honestly, truly fear another five years of Tory rule. As in, have back-of-my-mind plans to commit suicide if things get much worse.
That's not being insulting to Tory voters, we live in a democracy and you vote in the way that's best for you. Nor is it melodramatic scaremongering, or virtue signalling. My DH and I are both disabled and working class. He can no longer work after nearly 40 years of constant service. I'm clinging on to FT work but facing the prospect of not being able to manage it for much longer because of my health. His disability benefits have been halved. I haven't had a pay rise for seven years. We're both utterly reliant on the NHS to keep us alive. The thought of further cuts to benefits, to more NHS services, to employee rights is genuinely terrifying. We won't survive it, simple as that. If I lose my job and there's no welfare safety net, we're fucked. We've both worked hard, all our lives. At one point I had three jobs and he had two. Redundancy and disability brought us to this point, not poor life choices. But we don't count, under the Tories. We're dispensable. And I really, really fear for us and people like us under the Tories.

Nationalising public utilities ... but how much will it cost to buy back all the shares ... ?
Forcing private schools into the public sector. Are they going to buy the buildings?

What makes you assume they'd PAY for these things, noodle?

1. lots of evidence of anti-semitism (clear and distinct from supporting Hezbollah who want to eradicate Israel)
2. student politician policies, clueless about real world. Maths does not stack up. 3)nasty rabble-rouser who is happy to encourage his personality cult. Ring any bells?

just because the alternative is also an arse doesn't change the above