How are you voting in December?

[MaMaMaMySharona]

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this - I did look and couldn’t find one.

So now it’s been confirmed that we’re having a GE in December, how are you voting? And what are your predictions on the results?

I’ve seen quite a few posts on here over the past couple months from people saying they wouldn’t vote now as they are politically homeless - wondering if these people still feel that way?

I’m voting labour - albeit in a very safe Tory area (so feel very much as though my vote doesn’t count). Reasons being I would never vote Tory and I don’t like a lot of what the Lim Dems have said recently. I also couldn’t bring myself not to vote at all.

As a Brit in the US I won’t be voting. Of my family they will mostly vote conservative as they “can’t afford to have a social consciousness”

To all those voting Tory because they don’t give a fuck about anything except the pound in their own pocket - don’t get old, poor, sick, have a disabled child, or lose your job. If you can guarantee all those things won’t happen to you, well done.

Oh fuck off..

I used to vote Labour, but fuck knows this time.

But actually it doesn't really matter, except on principle; my area is so red that my (Labour) MP won't lose her seat until the actual end of days.

I'm well off and I don't want anything to change to be fair, as long as they are paying taxes, why is this upsetting to you?

Oh fuck off..

Hahahaha is that really the best you can counter with?

No it’s not , I just can’t be arsed to argue with a virtue signalling ,fuck wit on the Internet .
I’m off to do my not so special job 👍🏻

I’m not virtue signalling just because I can see life outside my own narrow, privileged frame of reference. People like you who expect some sort of “incentive” for doing what the vast majority of us do ie work, juggle things, balance the books are actually more entitled IMO than people who claim benefits.

@JenniferM1989 and guess who pays for your free Uni places? Scotland doesn’t have enough money to pay for this, England subsidises this from our taxes, we are not entitled to these free Uni places but students from the EU are, how crazy is that?

I think Fizzy would like a medal and special recognition of how hard she works.

Feeling sick reading about all these Tory votes.

They are destroying the country. Brexit will devastate our economy. The Tories have already met six times with US Pharmaceutical to talk drug deals. They have deliberately defunded the NHS over the last decade and it's full steam ahead towards privatisation. It WILL be the end of the NHS.How can anyone vote for that?????

I don't like Corbyn either. But Boris and Co are morally bankrupt. And I Hugely value the NHS.

So I'll vote for whichever candidate has the greatest chance of unseating our Brexit Tory in her Remain constituency.

Colouring I agree with you. The thing is though i’m Not that surprised! Tory voters, including many on this thread don’t. actually care that the NHS is going to be privatised. Lots of them have enjoy money to fund their own health care, just as they are able to privately educate their children.
The simple truth is that that’s the direction this country has been moving for the last ten years.
It’s like the return of the worst excesses of Thatcherism multiplied by 1000.

I guess if we hadn't spent 66 billion pounds on Brexit we might have chosen to roll out "free" university places - or pay for the 40,000 nurses, 4000- 10,000 beds* and 10,000 doctors we are short.

(*Bed numbers depends on who you read - the BMA says we are 10,000 short)

Or we could have invested in housing and social care.

Brexit has sucked up so much money, political thinking and time.

The good news is that it will only cost 70 billion over the next decade.

We as a society actually need people to do the jobs that pay the type of salaries that require top up benefits though. Otherwise there would be no refuse collectors, no retail workers etc. And before you say well employers should pay a fair wage, well they should do, but if everyone was paid a salary that would enable them to live without claiming benefits, it would hit us in the pocket anyway with increased council tax or increased cost of services.

"At the moment, UK public health spending is the equivalent of about 7% of GDP, similar to what it was back in 2010 and higher than in previous years. Back in 1955, it was worth about 3% of GDP."

The Tories did not vote for Brexit. Lots of Labour supporters and lots of Tory supporters did. It crosses party lines.

No, Gin96, England does not pay for these uni places. We currently don't get 30 free funded hours here in Scotland, we get 15, but England gets 30 and has done for some time. The Scottish government places a different view on education than England does and can decide how they wish to spend their taxes.

England also have children entering school just past their 4th birthday, in Scotland, you go to school the summer term closest to your 5th birthday. England also insist that children stay in school, an apprenticeship or college until they're 18, Scotland does not. You can leave school and do what you want when you're 16 here.

So given that England offers an extra year of early education to some children, offer double the amount of free funded hours and 2 years of extra secondary education and Scotland does not, I think this more than pays for the free uni places. Scotland just allocates their education budget differently, they don't get it subsidised. If you want free uni places, ask the Tories to stop sending kids to school at just turned 4, giving 30 hours free funding (Scotland will have this soon I believe) and keeping children (adults) in education until 18. If they don't spend money on that, they can offer you a free uni place I'm sure

Scotland has higher income tax too.

I’m especially intrigued to see the usual tedious anti semitism claims! That’s always a given.

Which are made up by those pesky Jews obviously. They should know their place shouldn’t they. Obviously the Jewish labour MP’s are making a fuss over nothing aren’t they?

I feel sick too at people gleefully voting Tory knowing full well that people will suffer and yes, die. My DH is a high earner. But no way could we live with our conscience in just looking out for ourselves. We are part of a society and some of its members are exceptionally vulnerable. We have a duty to care.

This will be the most difficult vote I've ever placed.

I feel like I can't vote for who I would usually vote for - Labour/Lib Dem - due to Brexit, but then I don't want to vote Tory because I don't support their policies on domestic issues.

What do you do?!?!

I would like to vote Lib Dem, but I'm worried it will be a wasted vote so would be better off voting labour.

@Trewser It upsets me because clearly things need to change, unless food banks, child poverty and a terminally ill NHS are OK with us?

I'm not a fan of Jeremy but I detest Boris so much that I will vote Labour

@JenniferM1989 I think I love you.

Again although you’ve not come across as badly as @DBML earlier in the thread you’re hardly anything special or unusual in being in a professional role, educated, hard working and on a decent salary.

Wow, I might be “selfish” with my own money...but seems that Mumsnet has a worse problem. It’s rife with bullies.

There are some horrible people here claiming to be oh so virtuous, whilst simultaneously writing some of the nastiest posts I’ve ever read and repeatedly digging at others with a different opinion.

I’ll accept I’m selfish. But you dear are a nasty bully.