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How are you voting in December?

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MaMaMaMySharona · 30/10/2019 07:27

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this - I did look and couldn’t find one.

So now it’s been confirmed that we’re having a GE in December, how are you voting? And what are your predictions on the results?

I’ve seen quite a few posts on here over the past couple months from people saying they wouldn’t vote now as they are politically homeless - wondering if these people still feel that way?

I’m voting labour - albeit in a very safe Tory area (so feel very much as though my vote doesn’t count). Reasons being I would never vote Tory and I don’t like a lot of what the Lim Dems have said recently. I also couldn’t bring myself not to vote at all.

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FizzyIce · 31/10/2019 08:46

Conservative- Corbyn has seen to that

SallyCinnamon3009 · 31/10/2019 08:49

Labour. In what has been a safe labour seat forever (apart from one term in the 80s when we went Lib Dem). However, my constituency has been targeted by Brexit party and similar parties. I'm voting Labour in an attempt to keep them out

FizzyIce · 31/10/2019 08:49

Sunshine93 yeah and damn right I don’t want to pay more tax !
We’re taxed up to the eyeballs as it is !
But I also don’t want a jellyfish in charge of the country , Corbyn is a flake and he makes my skin crawl

JinglingHellsBells · 31/10/2019 08:51

Not telling. Never understand these threads. Is it a type of Mori poll you are conducting? @MaMaMaMySharona

LaurieMarlow · 31/10/2019 08:53

We’re taxed up to the eyeballs as it is

Speaking as someone who’s moved away from the UK, you really, really arent.

And you get extraordinary value for money for your taxes. Imagine if you had to fund your own healthcare to the same coverage the NHS offers. You’d know all about it then.

LaurieMarlow · 31/10/2019 08:54

Corbyn is a flake and he makes my skin crawl

What about Boris the petulant liar?

JinglingHellsBells · 31/10/2019 08:56

@Trewser selling our NHS to US companies is not the answer though I don't care which country runs the NHS as long as it is run better than it is now. One of the biggest private health care providers in the UK is owned by a US company and it is brilliant.
Why does it matter if it's the US? And in any case I don't think this is the issue- it's about the cost of drugs. The NHS is one of the most badly run organisations ever. They don't even have a central buying contract for pens and latex gloves- each Trust buys their own- so millions are being wasted by not capitalising on mass buying power. There is this idea that the NHS is some sacred cow above reproach yet if a business model was applied to it, everyone would benefit. What it needs are people who can run FTSE 100 companies to turn it round so patients benefit. If that's someone in the US or outer Mongolia, fine. It can't be worse than it is now.

RozHuntleysStump · 31/10/2019 08:56

Conservative although little point in my area.

JinglingHellsBells · 31/10/2019 08:57

@LaurieMarlow I do fund my own health care through private insurance and it's brilliant value for acute illness. I also pay tax to fund everyone else's health care who relies on the NHS.

LaurieMarlow · 31/10/2019 08:58

I do fund my own health care through private insurance and it's brilliant value for acute illness

Look me in the eye and tell me you’ve never availed of an NHS service.

Sunshine93 · 31/10/2019 09:05

FizzyIce we really aren't taxed up to the eyeballs here. There are plenty of countries with higher tax rates.

When you know the NHS will suffer and people with disabilities and on low incomes will suffer, foodbank use will increase and the number of homeless children will increase voting Tory because you don't want to pay higher taxes is selfish. Plain and simple.

Limitedsimba123 · 31/10/2019 09:09

Some of the other models may be ok, but how anyone can say a US style healthcare system is better is beyond me. When your doctor is also a salesman you will eventually run into problems - like the US opioid crisis.

Sunshine93 · 31/10/2019 09:10

@Limitedsimba123 I agree the us system is abhorrent. Of you are unsure watch the film John Q

Trewser · 31/10/2019 09:10

Noone is suggesting a USA style healthcare system Confused

I like the swedish model. Roughly 100 a year paid then everything after that free. Low incomes exempt.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 31/10/2019 09:11

I dont think not wanting to pay higher taxes is any more selfish than those on a low income expecting others to pay for their life choices.

Iggly · 31/10/2019 09:13

We’re taxed up to the eyeballs as it is

More tax targeted measures are actually needed towards those with huge assets (cash, property, financial instruments) as opposed to those who are earning average wages.

That would help massively.

DawnOfTheDeadleg · 31/10/2019 09:13

Income is taxed fairly highly in the UK. Wealth isn't.

Iggly · 31/10/2019 09:14

I dont think not wanting to pay higher taxes is any more selfish than those on a low income expecting others to pay for their life choices

Yes because people choose to have life limiting illnesses, disabled children etc which impacts on their ability to work.

Hmm
Trewser · 31/10/2019 09:15

I think EVERYONE should pay more income tax. Everyone pay an extra penny in the pound. Sorted.

Iggly · 31/10/2019 09:17

I kind of @Trowser

There are some very rich people who do nothing to add to the economy so should be taxed more. They don’t earn salaries, they’ll be riding high on dividends, interest and capital gains.
That needs targeting.

FadingStar · 31/10/2019 09:18

Life choices? Oh my days. Who would choose to live in poverty? To live in substandard housing? I work in the community sector and out of the thousands of people I have worked with in the last twenty years a tiny amount have deliberately made these choices. Even then, it is because of cripplingly low self worth - they don't think they will ever succeed in gaining and maintaining employment or making a different life. So no choice at all.

The hardness in so many people who vote Tory is unreal.

Trewser · 31/10/2019 09:20

I think you need a carrot to encourage all those who can to work. And to branch out, to be entrepreneurs and innovators. That needs encouraging.

There are really very few super rich who don't pay taxes. Yes the loopholes that mean they can avoid it should be closed. We don't need a huge amount of complicated new taxation. Just enforce those taxes that we already have!

Smilebehappy123 · 31/10/2019 09:21

Sad bastards on here all wont vote labour because they dont like Corbyn
Well lets assume your all rich then and dont need public services as if you vote Tory your basically happy with massive cuts

Limitedsimba123 · 31/10/2019 09:22

Trewser JinglingHellsBells seems to suggest a US based system would be better.

Regardless, I think PP are missing the point re NHS, I thought the meetings were about us paying more for our medication as part of a US FTA. Surely no matter which state subsidised healthcare system you think is better, us paying more for medication than we do at the moment is not a good thing.

Trewser · 31/10/2019 09:25

It always comes down to the same question though.

How are Labour going to pay for their massive cash injections into health and education?