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To change Christmas plans because of their attitude to my daughter

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skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:15

We have two daughters. One is a teenager- very studious, quiet, always well behaved as you'd expect from someone her age. The other is 5 and behaves really well most of the time. For example, when we take her to restaurants etc she will always sit well and eat with no fuss, no messing around etc. She is polite, well mannered and doing well at school. All good. However, sometimes she has moments where she doesn't quite do as she should- don't put her shoes on, get her hair brushed etc. Nothing hideous but quite normal 5 year old stuff.
Anyway, we have just returned from visiting relatives and our 5 year old had just such a moment. This was over something and nothing and we dealt with it without much issue. However, the thing I have been left upset about was my relatives attitude towards her and the situation. They told her to "shut up" when she was complaining (didn't want to put her shoes on), said "I know what she needs" meaning a smack and then repeatedly told her she wasn't welcome but her older sister was as she's always well behaved. I didn't say much to them at the time- I got on with sorting the shoe crisis and then we left. However, we are supposed to be going there for Christmas and I now really don't want to. I feel that my lovely little girl doesn't deserve to be spoken to like that for simply being a 5 year old. There were so many moments when her behaviour was amazing while we were there and none of those were ever commented on- only the negative. Their help wasn't requested- her behaviour re the shoes was already being dealt with and really did not need two more adults wading in and making threats.

For context, we have never hit our children, never would and feel very strongly about this. They, and most other family members however, did/do hit theirs.

So AIBU to tell them we won't be there for Christmas or anytime soon.

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CorBlimeyGovenor · 25/10/2019 14:19

Their behaviour was awful. But, as it was your parents, I do not understand why you or your partner still didn't say anything. You could have ushered her into the car and then returned to make it clear that it's unacceptable. If it was any other relatives I would absolutely refuse to go ever again. But as it's her grandparents, presumably, they love her and she knows this, so I would meet up with them, but on neutral or your own territory. I wouldn't take her back there again. Just tell them that they clearly cannot cope with having a five year old stay.

HaveIgoneMad · 25/10/2019 14:31

Knowing what 5 year olds are like and the melting pot of over excitement, over indulgence of sugar (that I think most children get at christmas) and the general overwhelming atmosphere that Christmas tends to bring I would avoid Christmas with them. It sounds like it would be very stressful for all of you and not enjoyable, I would maybe video call them or see them for a shorter period of time if that's possible but not spend the full day there. I know my eldest daughter (4) is going to have at least 1 meltdown on Christmas day and she will get away with slightly more than she would normally. (And I'm usually quite strict).
What would annoy me most is the smacking suggestion, I don't think it's necessary to smack a 5 year old for acting like a 5 year old. (Or smacking in general but that's irrelevant).

Aria999 · 25/10/2019 14:53

YANBU. I think I would have reacted badly at the time and then had lots of patching up to do, much better to stay calm like you did.

Whether people want to smack their own children is their decision but it's totally inappropriate to threaten someone else's.

Glad you have decided not to go. Hope all goes ok.

Beesandcheese · 25/10/2019 15:07

No. I'd be avoiding them. Actually quoting back at them 'you said dd wasn't welcome so of course we won't be coming, enjoy your Christmas' and utterly refuse to.discuss it.

Herocomplex · 25/10/2019 15:12

Even if it doesn’t reoccur you’ll be wondering if it will. Don’t choose this for your kids.

To be honest the threatened smack would have been enough for me.

GeneHuntLover · 25/10/2019 15:19

The kid is 5, she's going to play up occasionally, even if she'd shat on the floor it doesn't warrant their comments. I wouldn't be going back at Christmas, I'd probably go low contact actually

BigFatLiar · 25/10/2019 15:42

Never been a fan of taking children away from home at Christmas. They should have a day at home with their new toys. If they get a bit over excited thats just part of Christmas and at least you won't have gran & Gandad telling them off.

MonstranceClock · 25/10/2019 16:09

Only a certain sort of parent hits their child and you can spot them a mile off. Don’t go there.

Purpleartichoke · 25/10/2019 16:14

Visiting at Christmas with a 5 year old will inevitably result in at least one moment of said 5 year old being overwhelmed. It will happen. Actually, it will happen if you stay home too. It’s what 5 year olds do. They approach life with such vigor and then burn out.

Your dd deserves a magical, lovely Christmas where the inevitable meltdown is met with some quiet time snuggling with mom or dad reading a holiday themed book. Supportive relatives would understand that. Since you don’t have those, stay home and give her that safe space to enjoy Christmas. You’ve only got a couple of years where it seems so magical. Don’t let them take that from her.

Thehop · 25/10/2019 16:18

They’ve told you that your younger dd isn’t welcome.

So change your plans.

They sound awful. Your children deserve better and so do you. Go have fun.

Sewrainbow · 25/10/2019 16:19

I wouldn't go....

Sewrainbow · 25/10/2019 16:28

Reading your posts op, I agree they sound emotionally abusive. The snapshot back to your own childhood has made you realise it. Stick up for both your daughters don't let the older be the golden child or the younger be the scapegoat, both roles are damaging and only you can control their exposure to it. Good luck xx

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 18:11

Thanks so much to all of you. We won't be going. I'll deal with the fall out. I said to my dh last night that if his parents had behaved that way I'd expect him to act and so I will do the same and leave them to a nice calm adult Christmas without the inevitable chaos a 5 year old can bring.
And honestly no, there's no minimising going on here. Just ridiculous views on what is acceptable behaviour for a 5 year old (ie sitting still and watching TV all day). It was a daft 5 minutes where she decided her shoes were the devils work and she wasn't wearing them. Quickly dealt with and sorted whilst the nasty comments went on...

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skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 18:16

I don't understand you not defending your child for the sake of preventing a fight-you could've sent your youngest ahead with her sister and your partner and stayed and told them exactly what you're telling us total strangers on the internet.

Do you know what, you're totally right and I don't know why I didn't either. I think other pps have nailed it though. It's learned behaviour to keep the peace. I should have defended her there and then but I just wanted to go home so we went.

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skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 18:16

First part of that was a pp by the way...

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Lovemenorca · 25/10/2019 18:37

* I will do the same and leave them to a nice calm adult Christmas without the inevitable chaos a 5 year old can bring.*

Or joy, happiness, excitement
Depends on how you view children I suppose

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 18:51

Well indeed.

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