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AIBU?

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To change Christmas plans because of their attitude to my daughter

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skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:15

We have two daughters. One is a teenager- very studious, quiet, always well behaved as you'd expect from someone her age. The other is 5 and behaves really well most of the time. For example, when we take her to restaurants etc she will always sit well and eat with no fuss, no messing around etc. She is polite, well mannered and doing well at school. All good. However, sometimes she has moments where she doesn't quite do as she should- don't put her shoes on, get her hair brushed etc. Nothing hideous but quite normal 5 year old stuff.
Anyway, we have just returned from visiting relatives and our 5 year old had just such a moment. This was over something and nothing and we dealt with it without much issue. However, the thing I have been left upset about was my relatives attitude towards her and the situation. They told her to "shut up" when she was complaining (didn't want to put her shoes on), said "I know what she needs" meaning a smack and then repeatedly told her she wasn't welcome but her older sister was as she's always well behaved. I didn't say much to them at the time- I got on with sorting the shoe crisis and then we left. However, we are supposed to be going there for Christmas and I now really don't want to. I feel that my lovely little girl doesn't deserve to be spoken to like that for simply being a 5 year old. There were so many moments when her behaviour was amazing while we were there and none of those were ever commented on- only the negative. Their help wasn't requested- her behaviour re the shoes was already being dealt with and really did not need two more adults wading in and making threats.

For context, we have never hit our children, never would and feel very strongly about this. They, and most other family members however, did/do hit theirs.

So AIBU to tell them we won't be there for Christmas or anytime soon.

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LagunaBubbles · 25/10/2019 10:17

I don't understand why you didn't saying anything? What relatives is it, is it your parents or in laws?

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:19

Parents. I didn't want to make the situation worse and it would have done. There would have been a huge row that I didn't want my daughters to have to watch.

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Candle1000 · 25/10/2019 10:19

How horrible of them , tbh , the shoe thing sounds like a complete non event anyway. I know small children (mine included) who have behaved much much worse than this - they’re kids for goodness sake !

I would change your plans if I were you.

Hellofromtheotherside2020 · 25/10/2019 10:19

Erm, she is five. Children learn what is acceptable behaviour by pushing boundaries sometimes. It's totally normal! She may have been tired! No adult is hunky dory 24/7!

If it was me, and my children, and one of them was spoken to like that and I was made to feel undermined and guilty for natural behaviour, no, I wouldn't go there for Xmas.

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:21

I totally agree. It was nothing at all. She was tired after a few days away visiting lots of people (she fell asleep in the car very quickly after we set off) and it was all too much.

Thanks for those comments which are reassuring.

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Candle1000 · 25/10/2019 10:22

and then repeatedly told her she wasn't welcome but her older sister was

They can hardly complain if you change your plans , they’ve practically told you to by saying this.

AnneLovesGilbert · 25/10/2019 10:22

They’re being awful. You need to protect your children, both of them, from anyone who expresses favouritism and criticism like that.

Have christmas at home by yourselves and tell them why.

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:23

They have candle haven't they.

When our teenage daughter was 5 she also had her moments. They seem to have forgotten that!

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Haworthia · 25/10/2019 10:24

I understand why you’re upset, because that WAS totally normal five year old behaviour. But I think refusing to visit for Christmas is an overreaction. Unless there’s a huge backstory and this was the straw that broke the camel’s back?

skunkatanka · 25/10/2019 10:26

Not a huge backstory really no. I'm asking whether IABU to try to work out whether I'm overreacting.

At Christmas my 5 year old is highly likely to get over excited, a bit giddy, probably tired etc etc. There is very likely to be a repeat of the situation if we go.

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krustykittens · 25/10/2019 10:28

Yeah, I would be having a serious think about Christmas! Perfectly normal five year old behaviour. Perhaps they don't enjoy having young kids around as much as they did when your teenager was that age, but there is no need to speak to a child like that. Perhaps an honest conversation is in order? If they can't handle a young child as easily anymore, perhaps Christmas plans should change anyway?

Spudina · 25/10/2019 10:29

Absolutely agree you shouldn’t go. And as above, now they have told your daughter she isn’t welcome, you have a good excuse. Your daughter could potentially have an awful Christmas if you went, and you would just be on edge and wouldn’t enjoy it either. Also, my 5 year old DD remembers everything. She wouldn’t forget being treated this way. You have to protect her.

krustykittens · 25/10/2019 10:29

Sorry, I said perhaps A LOT in that post!

LizzieBananas · 25/10/2019 10:30

Take a leave out of our book... Leave the country for Xmas. Halloween Wink

If your parents don’t like your child, ask if they don’t want you visiting. That should put the balance on them: either they love you and their grandkids or they don’t want your company.

Icecreamsoda99 · 25/10/2019 10:30

I think you need to stand up to your parents, telling a child to "shut up" is horrible. She does sound a little indulged but so what? As grandparents they are in the lucky position of not needing to discipline and she is not being destructive or nasty, just strong willed. You need to speak to them or not go as it's not fair and damaging to your daughter to be made to feel like "the naughty one" and compared to her sister, what a rubbish Christmas it would be for her. What does your DP think?

littlepaddypaws · 25/10/2019 10:30

i'd let them know i was changing my plans and why, who cares if they get angry, moan, whinge or cry. no one would have ever dared speak to my dc like that let alone imply smacking or favourtism.
someone, a stranger, [mid so's] told me that my, then 5yo [sn] needed a smack for being loud, in spite of my trying to calm him. i asked of he was offering to do it and if he was i'd smack him twice as hard !

littlepaddypaws · 25/10/2019 10:31
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averythinline · 25/10/2019 10:31

why would you go there?

YADNBU to take your daughter somewhere she is not wanted..... and I can understand why you didnt want to make a fuss whilst there if you were leaving etc but I think she needs to know you have her back..
be clear about why you are not going..... sounds like completely normal behaviour for a tired 5 yr old.... and threats of violence are not on at any age..

their expectations maybe based on a rosy picture if they are not around kids much but they should have still just left you to it... I think you should say something - now - either they promise to not interfere or you will come back when she's older if they cant cope with a normal 5 year old...
it will probably be stressful for you anyway this year -as you will be on guard... so maybe say your staying at home this year - maybe will review next year ..

Buddytheelf85 · 25/10/2019 10:32

The behaviour you’ve described doesn’t sound in any way unusual for a tired/excited 5 year old!

I’d be very unhappy about those comments - alluding to smacking her and comparing her behaviour to her teenage sister’s (obviously not fair to compare her to someone more than twice her age).

I don’t think you’re overreacting particularly given the comment about her not being welcome. But if it were my parents I’d probably try and speak to them first to tell them I was unhappy about what was said. Do you feel you can do that?

sophiestew · 25/10/2019 10:32

YANBU

Stay home for Christmas. Everyone will enjoy it far more. Your parents sound awful Flowers

AwkwardFucker · 25/10/2019 10:33

They told you she wasn’t welcome, surely you won’t just rock up with her then?!

How can they possibly kick off about you not going when they told you your child wasn’t welcome? What to they want you to do? Tie her yo a lamp post?

mcmooberry · 25/10/2019 10:33

I think you shouldn't go. It is extremely rude to tell anyone to shut up and her behaviour sounds totally normal and unpreventable for a 5 year old. Would just message them saying you didn't want to make a scene at the time but you feel your 5 year old is unwelcome and you will stay at home this Christmas. I would definitely have done that already.

Theresnobslikeshowbs · 25/10/2019 10:36

Bless her, she’s 5 for crying out loud not 15. She’s still finding her way in the world and what is acceptable and what is not.

Now see if that was my dc, I couldn’t have helped myself but have reacted there and then, you done well not too.

I personally wouldn’t go for Christmas, not as in a punishment to your parents, but in a what what is she’s tired and plays up- all the over excitement is notorious for it. I wouldn’t want my dc secretly being scared, afraid to say to you they wanted to go home (that would have been me as a child), etc. So easier not to put dc in that situation and instead have a nice family Christmas at home.

Justmuddlingalong · 25/10/2019 10:37

Don't go. To speak to a 5 year old like that over such a small incident is bizarre. Tell your DParents your Christmas plans have changed. And why. Your DD needs you to have her back, if you let your DParents get away with that , it would seem like you're backing them up. And in future, if the same kind of thing happens, I would say something to them there and then.

Sparkletastic · 25/10/2019 10:38

Dear god don't go there for Christmas. Maybe Boxing Day instead? I'd be having strong words if they were my parents.

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