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To think that a People Vote has to have 3 options, not just 2

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Bearbehind · 20/10/2019 18:07

There’s talk of a People Vote, if it ever happened, just being between Boris’s deal or Remain.

I am a massive Remainer but even I think that is a really bad idea.

It has to include No Deal.

Much as I think that’s a shite idea, excluding it from the options will only make things worse.

It should just be a simple majority of the 3.

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Notthemessiah · 20/10/2019 19:37

I think the solution is quite simple really. Three choices - no deal, deal or remain and you rank them in order of preference. Add up all the first choices and the one that comes bottom gets eliminated and their second choices then get distributed between the two remaining to give a final result.

JulietTango · 20/10/2019 19:45

Because that's as biased towards leave as just having 3 options and taking the highest is biased towards remain.

There's a reason very few politicians want no deal.

JulietTango · 20/10/2019 19:46

The choice should be Boris Johnson's deal or the deal we already have

Butterisbest · 20/10/2019 19:46

@tequilasunrises
It will be ignored if it's another leave.

Fatshedra · 20/10/2019 19:50

The remainer majority in parliament have pissed around for 3 years so everyone gets fed up and they get their rerun of the referendum. Pretty bad all round. Many people will, naturally after 3years, vote remain just to get things done but to think everyone will just accept that and happily return to the way it was - I doubt very much. Imagine a poorer northern town again voting leave but having to accept remain - better to keep the first result and get on with it.

user1497207191 · 20/10/2019 19:52

The first referendum was not 25 years ago midgebabe that was a vote to join the Common Market

And it was a lot longer ago than 25 years!!

HeresMe · 20/10/2019 19:52

I live in the north, every young person I speak to voted leave and wants out, not just the old, these aren't bothered about a future job somewhere in Europe they want a job now to leave.

I work in area that actively recruits eastern Europeans for job, you will deny it exists but it does, and as a young jobless person how you going to vote.

Stop with the old people voted this way it isn't true, votes are confidential all this crap is opinion polls.

GettingABitDesperateNow · 20/10/2019 19:55

Couldn't it be ranked and ask people to assign a ranking to options eg 1 remain 2 leave with deal 3 leave no deal. It wouldn't then split the leave vote if leavers voted options 2 and 3 above 1

user1497207191 · 20/10/2019 19:55

IF (and I'm against it) there was another referendum, I'd want the remainers to come up with a plan to deal with the perceived problems of being in the EU.

Over half the voters in the last referendum were clearly unhappy with the EU, but I've not heard a single thing from the ruling elite as to what they'd propose to improve things for the leavers. If over half the people aren't happy, they need listening to, or they'll just vote leave again and again.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 20/10/2019 19:56

If there is another referendum it will be on the deal or leaving with no deal

It won’t be leave it Remain that’s done and dusted

user1497207191 · 20/10/2019 20:00

I live in the north, every young person I speak to voted leave and wants out, not just the old, these aren't bothered about a future job somewhere in Europe they want a job now to leave.

Same here. At my son's secondary school, they did their own "referendum" at the same time as the real one, and there was a clear majority for leave - something like 70% if I remember rightly. The teachers also did their own, and that was even more decisive, about 80% I think. We're in a run down Northern town - the only EU funding we know about was a weird sculpture in the middle of a roundabout. If there was a lot more local funding from the EU, surely we'd have been told about it? (Not that anything new has happened). Most major employers closed down 20/30 years ago, if the students want a good job, they know they're going to have to relocate down South and many just don't want to. (And why should they?).

GettingABitDesperateNow · 20/10/2019 20:02

I also hate the 'you'll just vote again til it goes your way'. We have a general election every few years. If politicians lied and havent followed through because it was impossible what they were promising (yes I'm thinking of things like the 350m a week extra for the NHS) then the public have a right to show their displeasure by voting for someone else 4 or 5 years later.

Lots of the leave arguments used in the campaign were shown to be lies, I think it's fair that people have a vote based on what we now know is more likely (eg no 'they need us more than we need them shit) and see what the public wants when it has the facts

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 20/10/2019 20:08

The problem is that splits the leave in two. Which is not fair and I am a staunch remainer.
I agree with other posters it should be initial leave or remain and a second vote if leave is chosen. Deal or no deal.

HeresMe · 20/10/2019 20:11

I'd say that the stay supporters lied as well, but that never seems.to be brought up.

GreyGardens88 · 20/10/2019 20:13

It should be Remain or the Deal. After over 3 years I still don't see the point in leaving the EU. Everything was fine in the UK before Farage, Johnson and The Sun and The Daily Mail started spreading their divisive poison. The UK will never be as great as it was in 2012

HeresMe · 20/10/2019 20:16

Part of the problem is the EU is so corrupt it's unbelievable, Cameron tried for change it was rejected. They need to reform.so much but won't how can you want that

MrsJoshNavidi · 20/10/2019 20:22

The trouble with 3 way votes is that more people would vote for the losing options combined than would vote for the winning vote. So it gives people who didn't vote for the winning option cause to complain.

Eg parliament today: Conservatives got the most votes of any one party, but all the combined losing parties outnumber the winning party.

OddBoots · 20/10/2019 20:26

For the people worried a second referendum would not be fulfilled would you feel better if the leave option had a fixed date (say 6 months after the vote to allow preparations to be made) and was a mandatory (rather than advisory) referendum?

I agree that you can't keep voting but given everything that has happened with this whole mess another vote is not unreasonable with the above rules in place before people put pencil to paper.

bellabasset · 20/10/2019 20:34

The 1976 Referendum was about remaining to stay in the Common Market. There was no Referendum when the Common Market became the EU in 1993.

I think the argument to have a second Referendum would be on the basis if there had been misrepresentations made by Leave ie re the promises made on the deal we would get, the 350 million, the cost of leaving. As voters knew what being in the EU entailed Remain didn't have the same pressures.

If there is a second vote I agree that it should be Remain/Leave with a secondary vote for deal or no deal should Leave win. I have to admit that I am curious to know if the result of a second Referendum would be the same.
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Justforthisfred · 20/10/2019 20:40

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

It needs to be a 2 part question as others have explained.

A three way vote is splitting the leave vote in two. 65% could vote for the two leave options and yet remain could win with 35%

You cannot have a remain or take the deal vote

@GreyGardens88. it was mist emphatically NOT all fine before

@ThatssomebadhatHarry / it’s nice to see some remainers are reasonable people 😊

@Anothernotherone. Put simply the major differences are that the previous vote was acted on & was decades ago, (and what they voted for is not what we have with the EU now). Whereas now Remainers are trying to get another vote to NOT carry out the result of the vote. Huge difference.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 20/10/2019 20:59

No deal is irresponsible.

yellowallpaper · 20/10/2019 21:11

Even the thickest of pigshit thick Brexiteers could see through the divide and rule, 3 way vote.

It took 40 years after the first referendum about going into the EU before the 2016 referendum, so maybe that's how long we should wait for another one?

After all I don't see any sign of a second Scottish referendum and surely they have a greater moral argument?

Saying that I'm in favour of one with a straight in with the BJ deal or remain and revoke A50. It should be binding and agreed by all parties who would then actually vote for what their constituents want.

That should end this water torture--

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Bearbehind · 20/10/2019 21:15

Any choice winning by one third is better than the alternative which would be a Remain / Leave choice with 2 types of Leave after that.

In that scenario, just over one quarter get to decide.

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JustForThisFred · 20/10/2019 21:21

And they say leave voters are thick.

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Bearbehind · 20/10/2019 21:26

fred insults aren’t really helpful

Do you have a better solution?

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