To think some posters will always say the school / teacher is not being unreasonable

[andineverwill]

It really does feel you can’t criticise schools / teachers on here.

Dobbins I can see why that's frustrating for you and your ds. I can't see where anyone lied to you.

The school does seem to be trying even if they executed the plan badly. Sending 2 children to the office is standard. However office staff should have sent the other child back before the milkshake was given.

Seaweedandmarchingbands
Because he he is hyper-sensitive about being different to his peers. He gets called weird etc and he knows milkshake and sweets are against the school rules (he has ASD, can be very rigid). This was the condition on which he would agree to it - to be a secret.

Teacher sent a classmate with him. Classmate saw him have the milkshake and sweets.

Plan states an adult to take him

Oh how awful,you have to differentiate your teaching resources so all kids can access them. What a terrible hard thing to do! Bloody kids coming in with their learning difficulties and making your job hard? Eh. Spoilt little shits.

Sorry many teachers don't want to be there. Especially the young ones who ever intended to teach but had to because they did a stupid degree and now they're stuck with kids they hate.

Her son feels uncomfortable about being the only one to have a snack because nobody else does it and he likely doesn't want to draw more attention to his differences. He's quite socially isolated at school. The solution was that it is referred to as his medicine. The school seemingly fucked up with typical lack of care for someone with SEN as well as inadequate communication between staff and his snack/medicine was destroyed. The school hoped the child wouldn't tell their mother what happened.

Right. Unfortunately, I think you have a problem here: what the HT has arranged isn’t always going to be possible. That’s a common issue - the person who makes the arrangement not being the person who is expected to implement it. Then you as the parent get upset because it doesn’t work.

Oh how awful,you have to differentiate your teaching resources so all kids can access them. What a terrible hard thing to do! Bloody kids coming in with their learning difficulties and making your job hard? Eh. Spoilt little shits.

It is hard. The rest you made up. HTH.

There's an automatic assumption of bad faith where children and young people are concerned which would be unacceptable in any other context.

Exactly this.

This thread screams immaturity. The OP just wants people to agree with her. No, I don't always think teachers are not unreasonable but there are more unreasonable parents who seem to have problems with teachers in the first place and transfer that stinky attitude to their little darlings. And before you ask, no I am not a teacher.

That’s a common issue - the person who makes the arrangement not being the person who is expected to implement it.

This ^

Yes it is hard. Just like surgery is hard for surgeons. IT IS THE MAIN PART OF YOUR JOB. YOU ARE TEACHING KIDS SO IT HAS TO BE IN A FORM THEY CAN ABSORB.

OMG. Seriously.

Oh Mr Pilot, is the hard bit of your job flying the plane?

Has to be possible. Simple as that.

ChilledBee

If the pilot is also expected to do a five card trick, juggle three flaming barons and sweep the floor while flying the plane, something has gone wrong.

Surgeons tend to be provided with sufficient tools to do their job.

Has to be possible. Simple as that.

Nope.

Batons, not barons - but that’s not out of the question.

(Though history and geography where I teach definitely do this)

Preplanned lessons are one answer in attempting to make life easier for teachers. It doesn’t mean that we don’t go through the plan, take out one activity for X class and put in something else, add extension work for Y class, add in a different starter cos we’re not sure they really got the previous lesson. Nor does it stop that going off in a different direction when the questions and interest takes it that way, it sure as helps to have a starting point that isn’t from scratch!

Seriously, coloured paper is a five card trick?

andineverwill

It can be. Clearly you have no idea about the time pressures on teachers. Everything is very easy until you are the person being asked to do it.

I have let it go, Seaweedandmarchingbands asked what happened?

And 2 children to office may be standard, but that's not what's on his plan, it specifies an adult.

There's actually security issues with the office area, DS3 can let himself out and he could leave the school site. I've been in school when the office staff were not in that area (in the loo) and could have left with dS3 unnoticed.

And they didn't inform me, DS3 did. They had written a great long note apologising about a non-issue instead (dS3 supposed to have lunch with his brother but SENCo got another child with same name instead. dS3 didn't say anything until lunch was over. I thought this was hilarious tbh)

As I've said, trust is a huge issue for DS3.
And I suppose you think the teacher doing something she needn't when she wasn't teaching and causing a 7 person pursuit of DS3 is ok?

That he's frightened of being in class with the teacher?

Yes, no one else has a demanding job that’s under resourced.

And I suppose you think the teacher doing something she needn't when she wasn't teaching and causing a 7 person pursuit of DS3 is ok?

I honestly don’t know what you are going on about. Sorry.

Yes, no one else has a demanding job that’s under resourced.

I’m 100% sure I didn’t say this.

Surgeon-bashing thread:

“Why did you muck up this complex heart surgery, you useless vindictive bastard”

“I was asked to do the surgery with a spoon”

“Omg stop whining about your working conditions, everyone has it hard, it should be perfectly possible”

*“I was asked to do the surgery with a spoon”

😂

I was also asked to have several different spoons available, in five different colours, and do the more complex parts of the procedure with my feet.

It's not about my feelings, I'm not upset, I'm resigned to the farcical carrying's-on. It's DS3 that matters here. I've applied for EHCP school ignored the LA requests for information. Eventually provided half a paragraph. I've started tribunal proceedings twice, no support from school. They've never applied for top up funding or asked for help from outside agencies.

So when they put together a plan, ignore it DS3 becomes disruptive and they ring asking what to do, what am I supposed to say?

No, seaweed, you didn’t.

However, you do seem fixed in the view that people who don’t teach don’t understand, and at no point have I given away what my job is.

I actually can 100% see that a teacher might sometimes forget to print out something in the right colour of paper. But then imagine that the child is telling her parents ‘I can’t read black on white but my teacher keeps giving it to me.’ What do you expect the parents to do? Say ‘well, never mind, the teacher is busy, Year 4 (or 7, or 10, or science, or history) isn’t all that important,’ or would you expect them to advocate for their child?

I think most people would agree it would be unreasonable for the parent NOT to raise this, if the child really is unable to read on anything other than that colour. I obviously wouldn’t recommend being horrible about it, but I think it would really be quite negligent of a parent not to.