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To feel really sorry for Prince Harry breaking down

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AviationLifystyle · 16/10/2019 09:56

At the awards show. I have been a little skeptical about him recently but my heart really went out to him when I saw the footage.

I have a feeling that having a child has triggered a huge amount of unresolved grief and anxiety. Now he has this dear little boy who is at the mercy of the tabloid press, as is his wife and there is little he can do to protect him.

It's time the press laid off. This is a human being breaking in front of us.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/prince-harry-wellchild-awards-speech-emotional-meghan-pregnant-tears-a9157751.html

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BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 07:47

While we still have a Monarchy I cannot for the life of me see what Harry and Meghan have done to deserve this level of dislike/disapproval.“
It’s not what they do- it’s who she is. She ticks so many “hate” boxes in Britain.

Horehound · 22/10/2019 07:50

Just popped back to see if the thread has taken a new course to discuss the prince and the peadohpile which was on last night.

But no. I see we are still on Meghan.

( I'm referencing a poster who told me when I asked why This thread is all about Meghan when it was started about Harry that threads change course. I see its only changed course once though. How surprising)

And if you are so worried about Harry's mental health or any of the royals mental health maybe stop bitching about them on the internet for all to read.

Horehound · 22/10/2019 07:50

@mnhq do we really need this Meghan bashing thread?

Cerseirys · 22/10/2019 08:04

@Horehound it's quite telling that posts about Andrew rarely get to a couple hundred but Sussex ones run and run...

mrscampbellblackagain · 22/10/2019 08:34

Surely that is because everyone agrees Andrew is a creepy sleaze - threads get a bit dull when everyone just says the same thing.

I do think it is interesting that clearly some of the younger Royals seem to not want their roles and everything that goes with that. And there seems to be more and more a feeling that we don't need the type of monarchy we currently have.

Have just seen the trailer for the new season of The Crown and there was a line about how the RF are only in place because the public allow it. Maybe that's what the RF should be focusing on at the moment as a whole group. Friendships with paedophiles/talk of rifts/feuds/leaking to the press - well it isn't very good is it?

MauritiusNext · 22/10/2019 08:34

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BertrandRussell · 22/10/2019 08:40

“Surely that is because everyone agrees Andrew is a creepy sleaze - threads get a bit dull when everyone just says the same thing.“
Actually, I think there is plenty of sympathy for Andrew on here. Or at least, plenty of innocent til proved guilty. Which I think, frankly, is pretty grim.
And most of the Meghan threads are more or less the same, unless you count differing levels of psychic knowledge about the inner workings of a woman we have only seen snapshots of on the telly, or differing levels of largely untrue accusations.....

PortiaCastis · 22/10/2019 08:47

Jesus wept, some posters should be ashamed of themselves, sinking to new depths hoping a marriage breaks up and discussing what will happen to a little baby is pretty low

Cerseirys · 22/10/2019 08:48

Pretty much every royal thread derails into talking about Meghan. Even one about William's alleged affair was deleted because posters decided it was all Meghan's fault as she leaked the story to the press!

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 08:49

imo Ms Markle has made numerous gaffes and knows it

What would those be?

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Cookit · 22/10/2019 08:54

Surely that is because everyone agrees Andrew is a creepy sleaze - threads get a bit dull when everyone just says the same thing.
Agree. I have little to say about Prince Andrew because I had no respect for him anyway. The friendship with Epstein and some of the allegations have been public for a number of years and I don’t think there are many people who thought that was all innocent.

mrscampbellblackagain · 22/10/2019 08:56

Talking of William's 'alleged affair' - I was listening to Giles Coren's podcast (guilty pleasure) and he mentioned he got a call from the Royal Solicitors over his tweet. As he then removed it - I am assuming there was a connection.

I wonder how many calls the RF solicitors make to journalists etc on the quiet.

Jillyhilly · 22/10/2019 09:12

While we still have a Monarchy I cannot for the life of me see what Harry and Meghan have done to deserve this level of dislike/disapproval.
It’s not what they do- it’s who she is. She ticks so many “hate” boxes in Britain.

How do you know this? What “hate boxes” did Fergie tick, or Diana, or Camilla - or Prince William when he was accused of being lazy - or Edward, or Andrew back in the day when the press when after them? This isn’t remotely new.

There is a price to pay for the entry into the unbelievably privileged Royal “club” and a fabulous lifestyle funded by the taxpayer. This is a thousand year old institution and there are rules to follow and protocols which members must adhere to. It’s a job, and like any other job there is stuff you have to do that you may not want to do. Some of those rules may seem bonkers to people outside the organisation, but they still have to be followed. And if you don’t like the rules, don’t take that job. Kate Middleton appears to have understood this on an absolutely fundamental level, and took the training for the role very seriously, which is why she now gets phenomenal coverage, is extremely well-liked and enjoys a wonderful life.

The media is being critical of MM because she is not following the rules. That’s it. There are plenty of examples if this, but the main one IMO is that as a Royal you cannot be political. That is just the way it is. It makes sense, and it’s respectful to the taxpayer because politics divides people, and if you don’t agree with the politics you’re going to start questioning (and resenting) the funding. People who think Meghan is the victim of the nasty evil racist media plot are the people who eagerly gobble up the whole “this ticks hate boxes in Britain” narrative and inevitably agree with her politics. But featuring, say, Greta Thunberg in that Vogue article was incredibly controversial. How would you feel if - instead of Thunberg et al she had featured prominent Brexiteers, Trump supporters and pro-lifers? A tad irritated, perhaps? Wondering why you were helping fund someone with such a strong ideological viewpoint? Keen to scrutinise behaviour which points to hypocrisy?

I cannot believe that Harry or their advisors did not explain this to her early on. Or perhaps they did, and she decided that she was going to come in anyway as the poster girl for young progressive Royals, shaking everything up and using her position to promote progressive causes. Or maybe (and in a way this is the most interesting part of it for me) Harry has subconsciously chosen someone who, like his mother, was always going to have a complicated and difficult relationship with his family and the press as part of his own unresolved trauma. However you look at it, it appears that MM has completely misunderstood the role she was taking on and Harry - consciously or subconsciously - has colluded in that.

I still think it’s all fixable but they will need a lot of excellent advice, therapy and whole-hearted determination to turn things around, and a victim mentality of “it’s not fair” is not going to help. I really don’t see this ending well.

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 09:14

Suggesting she isn’t committed to the marriage is down right dickish.

Despite the blinding expertise of the armchair psychologists on here, no one has a clue about what’s going on in their relationship and it’s very unkind to make up crap speculate.

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 09:15

that as a Royal you cannot be political

What about Charles?

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 09:16

Feel free to list all the many other rules she’s broken btw.

bluebells100 · 22/10/2019 09:23

According to some all criticism of Meghan is because of her colour.So she must be perfect then, because Diana, Sarah, Margaret etc used to get loads. Does being mixed race mean you can do no wrong. If Margaret was still alive she would be torn apart now we have social media. But the queen would be left alone.......in other words they don’t get equal criticism, it’s about how the individual behaves. To say all criticism of Meghan is because of her colour is naive and ridiculous, why should she get none, it doesn’t make sense. Confused and before anyone says “it’s the level of criticism”, well I’m sure Margaret would have received the same, if not more. That’s why we shouldn’t have them, they cause resentment.

wondering7777 · 22/10/2019 09:24

When she was talking about taking it day by day etc, I thought she was referring to life in the royal family - not her marriage.

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 09:26

To say all criticism of Meghan is because of her colour is naive and ridiculous

No one is saying that

why should she get none, it doesn’t make sense

Of course she shouldn’t get no criticism.

But you have to question the criticism she gets for doing exactly what royals have always done with no censure. And yes, you start to wonder what motivates people when singling her out.

Jillyhilly · 22/10/2019 09:31

the criticism she gets for doing exactly what royals have always done with no censure

What have other royals always done with no censure?

Jillyhilly · 22/10/2019 09:34

The younger Prince Charles has a very difficult time with the press, LaurieMarlow.

LaurieMarlow · 22/10/2019 09:35

Okay little comparative censure then.

It interests me that no one seemed to much care about royals taking private jets until the mixed race woman started doing it.

Also, all the outrage about spending 2.5 mill on Frogmore when the Cambridge’s spent 4.5 mill on their KP apartments.

alseb · 22/10/2019 09:38

I do hope that Harry and Megan have the common sense and decency to participate in Remembrance Sunday with the rest of the Royal Family even though it is in the middle of their 6 week holiday.

Cerseirys · 22/10/2019 09:38

I think the difference @Jillyhilly was that Charles' hard time with the press - the affair with Camilla, Tampongate etc - were more or less of his own making. What's Meghan done to deserve blatant lies being printed about her making Kate cry or using baby blankets that were made in sweatshops?

As for what other royals have done without censure - how about the baby bump holding, scented candles in the chapel, expensive clothes etc? All things other royals do but are never targeted for it.

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