AIBU to want vegan alternatives to Flora?

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Just that really. Apparently they don't want my custom.

Flora has made a sound business decision not to be associated with a site which is known for its frequent transphobic posts. As previous posters have said, it is pointless to link to these, as there are those who will deny they are transphobic regardless..

Oh I'd be absolutely delighted fascicle.

So, you wrote this in objection to my post about those supporting and instigating the advertising decision being woke cookie scoffing bellends who object to biological reality.

At a loss as to how your comment does not contain embedded prejudice against/invidious characterisation of people who are either transgender or supportive of those who are.

What you did here was you decided that being critical of a particular position is the same as being prejudiced against or invidiously characterising those who are transgender or supportive of those who are transgender. The reality, however, is that transgender people do not necessarily hold the view that discussion of biological reality is problematic or detrimental to them. They're a broad church. It is well meaning bigotry to presume that they would all object to my description. YOU are the one doing the invidious characterising. Of trans people!

And it is indivious. Let's assume for a moment that, for example, stating that an individual can't change biological sex is transphobia as opposed to or as well as biological reality. What Flora have done here is objected to being associated with one platform they think is full of hate but happily continued giving their business and contributing their ad revenue to another that has much more hate on it. I mean, twitter is an actual cesspit, and by being there they are contributing to the advertising revenue and the general ubiquity of the platform.

This means they are either exceptionally stupid or they've decided they're not bothered about being on a platform that gives such assistance to white supremacists. They and anyone in support of this boycott is one of those things. Being stupid and being sufficiently unconcerned about white supremacy to fail to call it out are both very bad things, and yet you're trying to associate that with transgender people and their allies. That's extremely problematic. It's a pretty awful thing to say about trans people.

People can read the threads and make their own minds up.

Indeed they can woodchuck, and doubtless they are.

Coconut oil, nut butters and olive oil. Tbh, I don't like the taste of any of the vegan spreads, no matter how much I try to convince myself I do. At least with the natural oils and nut butters, they taste like food, as opposed to candle wax.

Flora can seriously go and fuck themselves. I am really not an angry person, even on MN! But they have majorly fucked me off.

I am livid, fuming, whatever you like, that they have branded me a transphobic because some mumsnetters are transphobic, (which I agree some are, but probably less so than the general population at large).

Fuck Flora and their God forsaken shite spread to hell and back.

If Sesame's comment was nothing to do with Trans people per se, how did you mistakenly decide, that by quoting it as an example of transphobia, I believed the following about trans people?

You are the one who is being prejudiced by imagining everyone who is Trans believes that biological reality is a social construct.

Again, not sue how to make my point more straightforward:

• Sesame criticised Flora for capitulating to 'biology deniers'.
• You called that post transphobic.
• I point out that conflating Genderism and transgenderism is (at least) ill informed stereotyping.

Perhaps an analogy would help:

It's like sesame criticised muggers and you thought it was racist to do so. The prejudice is in your reading of the post.

Alternatively a universal failure to provide evidence to your satisfaction may just lead people to conclude that you will never be convinced anyway and that it is not worth spending the time and effort to go around in circles. People can read the threads and make their own minds up

That's just it, and they absolutely do.

SesameOil
Oh I'd be absolutely delighted fascicle.

Not delighted enough to respond to what I've actually said or anything that could reasonably be inferred from my posts.

You've not answered the key question that could shed some light on your position (and possibly explain why you keep misrepresenting what I've said/inventing stuff that I haven't said). I'll ask again. In relation to this boycott, who and what do you mean by woke cookie scoffing bellends who object to biological reality? What is your comment based on and where do you think these woke cookie scoffing bellends have objected to biological reality?

What you did here was you decided that being critical of a particular position is the same as being prejudiced against or invidiously characterising those who are transgender or supportive of those who are transgender.

No, I didn't decide that at all. The prejudice/invidious characterisation part comes from your derogatory phrase as a whole. Had you talked about biological reality in a calm and measured way, without the subject of your sentence being woke cookie scoffing bellends, your phrase and intent would have come across very differently.

The reality, however, is that transgender people do not necessarily hold the view that discussion of biological reality is problematic or detrimental to them. They're a broad church. It is well meaning bigotry to presume that they would all object to my description. YOU are the one doing the invidious characterising. Of trans people!

Your accusation of well meaning bigotry is based on something 1. I didn't presume 2. I don't believe 3. That I have already clarified was not my belief. I am well aware that transgender people have differing views on biology, changing sex etc.

Being stupid and being sufficiently unconcerned about white supremacy to fail to call it out are both very bad things, and yet you're trying to associate that with transgender people and their allies. That's extremely problematic. It's a pretty awful thing to say about trans people.

Very difficult to respond, when this has absolutely no bearing on anything I've actually said.

donquixotedelamancha
- Sesame criticised Flora for capitulating to 'biology deniers'.

The key thing that's missing is the basis for this comment. How and where has Flora capitulated to 'biology deniers'?

I'm not Vegan but buy dairy free butter as one of my children need it and Flora/Stork work just like regular butter in baking.

Just checked and Pure uses certified sustainable palm oil Vitalite says it's commuted to sustainable palm oil.

Naturli block is incredible. Only in Sainsbury's so I stock up on 6 at a time and don't let my omni family use it

The OP of this thread is one of the oft deleted FWR regulars using a particularly transparent concocted AIBU to stir up a reaction outside of FWR.

The OP of this thread is one of the oft deleted FWR regulars using a particularly transparent concocted AIBU to stir up a reaction outside of FWR

How would you even begin to know that?
Is that one of the usual tin hat conspiracy theories that some posters are so fond of?

I'm guessing many would rather avoid Female-Exclusionary Radical Transfattyacids (FERTs)

stir up a reaction outside of FWR

aka raising awareness

fucking good I say

not a phrase I have ever felt the need to use when considering fake butter fat crap btw

Your accusation of well meaning bigotry is based on something 1. I didn't presume 2. I don't believe 3. That I have already clarified was not my belief. I am well aware that transgender people have differing views on biology, changing sex etc.

Your post suggested otherwise fascicle. You conflated a particular attitude, an objectively bad one, with being supportive of trans people and their supporters. As well as being factually incorrect it's also offensive. I expect you meant well when you did it and thought you were acting in support of trans people, but it's still highly problematic. However much tone policing you might try and throw in there to justify it. If it isn't an accurate representation of your beliefs, the onus is on you to retract your remark.

In terms of woke cookie scoffing biology objecting bellends, Helen Islan appears to be the particular example to whom they've capitulated on this specific occasion, but there are others like her.

but the site certainly doesn't stop it's members posting hateful ignorant comments

How do you stop that though flying

Then can only delete posts after they have posted they can’t stop the posts from happening

The OP of this thread is one of the oft deleted FWR regulars

Im also curious as to how you could possibly know this

Don't buy the stuff. Hit them where it hurts , in their profit margins.

I've never bought Flora or any of it's other shitty products. No loss to me @Flora! 😂👋

OK, bit off topic but I'm amused by how many posts I'm seeing saying "I'm boycotting Flora!"
"How dare they say dat about MN!"
No wait, I don't ever buy it anyways. Screw yous then
lol

Imagine hating trans people this much. Mortifying. I hope one day you look back at your past self and realise what a wanker you were.

Imagine hating orangutans and the planet this much. Mortifying. I hope one day you look back at your past self and realise what a wanker you were.

Just checked and Pure uses certified sustainable palm oil Vitalite says it's commuted to sustainable palm oil.

'Sustainable' palm oil is only marginally better - not using palm oil products is the only way to be sure you are not contributing to the destruction of habitats, and the destruction of the planet. Oh, and killing orangutans.

Imagine trans activists hating concerned women - mothers, grandmothers, sisters, daughters, aunts, nieces - that much that they contact the manufacturers of Flora to ask them to stop advertising their product to the 1 million + adult human female members of MN.

I think it was the mother of someone who is transgender who made the complaint, not a male trans activist".

It will be interesting to see if this has any effect one way or the other on Flora. I doubt that it will make much difference but find the current media coverage very sexist in itself. Apparently we are all in charge of buying butter/margarine on this site due to the fact that we are women....

I' ve just posted about this on another thread. I think it will make a difference to sales in an already declining market for margarines and spreads i.e sales will go down. Like it or not , sexist or not , Mums buying the shopping for their family is an everyday reality.

I' ve just posted about this on another thread. I think it will make a difference to sales in an already declining market for margarines and spreads i.e sales will go down. Like it or not , sexist or not , Mums buying the shopping for their family is an everyday reality.

I would hope that dads are just as likely to do the shopping in this day and age. Anyway, whether sales decrease depends on whether the majority of posters on this site have an issue with Flora following this. I doubt that they do. It will be interesting to see though.