AIBU to want vegan alternatives to Flora?

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Just that really. Apparently they don't want my custom.

Assuming OP is in the UK, there are loads of vegan spreads available.

I thought flora had been changed to be vegan? (And is now vile and tastes like plastic so we stopped buying it)

Even if they weren't vegan they're a business it probably doesn't suit their business to cater for minorities

Naturali .. in Sainsbury's is great but a small tub that doesn't seem to go far ...
I think Olivio is too as it's made from olives but can't be sure .. there are loads of vegan products that aren't labelled vegan though.

Which is why it probably wasn't a good idea for them to end their association with MN in favour of the sort of woke cookie scoffing bellends who object to biological reality.

Yanbu op, but this is going to end up with a million posts telling you flora is vegan and another million telling you MN is full of transphobia but obviously they can't possibly link to it.

Yanbu op, but this is going to end up with a million posts telling you flora is vegan and another million telling you MN is full of transphobia but obviously they can't possibly link to it.

How can people link if the post are deleted? It doesn't mean that they weren't there and that people didn't have time to read them before they got deleted.

RTFT people. Sigh

Maybe it would have been helpful if OP had actually put why she wasn't using Flora in the opening post then.

If any transphobic posts are deleted, then that does rather beg the question of how the site is transphobic? Although last night on the now deleted thread there were claims they aren't always deleted, but of course no examples of unrelated transphobia were provided. To general lack of surprise.

If any transphobic posts are deleted, then that does rather beg the question of how the site is transphobic?

Because people still type the posts and they are read before being deleted!

And yet MN has actually banned people for refusing to stick to their guidelines on the issue. But really, if you're going to make that argument, then Twitter is a pro Nazi site since there's been actual Nazi content on there. But Upfield are evidently fine with using it for business purposes.

And yet MN has actually banned people for refusing to stick to their guidelines on the issue.

As I said, people still read the posts though. And yes other sites do have questionable posters too but I think that it is the proportion of threads on mumsnet with anti trans sentiment that gives it its reputation.

Back to the topic: Pure contains palm oil after they reformulated about 2 years ago

Assuming OP is in the UK, there are loads of vegan spreads available

I'm assuming the OP knows that already, just wanted to show that they were sulking because Flora have withdrawn advertising from MN
OP - there's lots of different spreads. There's Pure, I think that is and don't think it's the same company.

It doesn't mean that they weren't there and that people didn't have time to read them before they got deleted
Exactly

Naturli is amazing. I love butter but have a dairy allergy and it almost tastes the same, melts the same, spreads the same.

The long and short of the matter is that there are frequent claims of transphobia thrown about re MN and they are virtually never backed up. When they are, it's often with things that are not transphobic but that the person reading them simply finds inconvenient. It would also be an error to assume that everyone banned or deleted on MN for trans posts has actually engaged in transphobia, given that MN has deleted posts that referred to sexual predators as their actual correct biological sex. With all this in mind, let us not assume that the reasons for MN being seen as transphobic in some quarters include any actual transphobia.

So you just wanted to start another thread about this you know if you buy it an alarm won't go off indicating you use achat forum

The long and short of the matter is that there are frequent claims of transphobia thrown about re MN and they are virtually never backed up

Bollocks. Just if people are transphobic, they don't see it, do they?
Kind of like racists, they're never racist either, just telling it like it is.
Not conflating the two, just saying that it's the same line of thinking with some.
You say never backed up? There's been tons of threads and posts that have nothing to do with self ID concerns which is what we're told it's only ever about - Trans Remembrance Day threads for one off the top of my head.

How can people link if the post are deleted?

This. MN is so transphobic it agressively deletes any transphobic posts. Bigots.

The long and short of the matter is that there are frequent claims of transphobia thrown about re MN and they are virtually never backed up.

How can people back up their claims when so many posts are deleted? People still read them though and will make their own minds up. Even among the posts that aren't deleted the anti trans sentiment is often very evident, not least because there are so many threads about transgender issues in the first place.

This. MN is so transphobic it agressively deletes any transphobic posts. Bigots.

That just demonstrates that MNHQ aren't transphobic though. It doesn't say anything about some of the posters.

Just if people are transphobic, they don't see it, do they?...You say never backed up? There's been tons of threads and posts that have nothing to do with self ID concerns

Yet the likes of FB and Twitter, where the transphobia is much more overt and rarely gets deleted don't face harassment and boycott.

There must be something about the demographics of MN which means they are all responsible for any individual posters views. I wonder what is different about MN users that means they particularly must 'be nice'?

Yeah fuck them for being so tolerant. Bastards.

Even among the posts that aren't deleted the anti trans sentiment is often very evident

The threshold for 'anti-trans sentiment' used by the anti MN lots seems to be: any discussion of women's rights which doesn't center transwomen; even to the point of taking transwomen who don't agree with them to court.

Real transphobia is horrible. Tarring everyone you disagree with in that way just devalues the word.

Let's leave aside for the moment the legitimacy of the argument that MN is transphobic even though they vigorously delete so much apparent transphobia and plenty besides. There are also claims made that it isn't all deleted, that was alleged in the deleted thread last night. But no proof given.

Now on a forum with millions of posts it would be odd if there were never any actual transphobia (as opposed to disbelief in ladydick) just as there's racism, misogyny etc. But an overarching transphobia, a general atmosphere on the site? When you throw accusations around but can't and won't prove them, you look like you're bullshitting.

Its also a pretty unpalatable position from Upfield, given that they're happy to give custom to Twitter which is a cesspool. That either means that they haven't given the matter much thought. Or that they have, but they think engaging in a platform riddled with white supremacists is ok while engaging in a forum where women are sometimes allowed to talk about ths negative impact of trans ideology on us is fine.

Pure is rubbish for baking.