To think the carotid artery is not a porn prop.

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This from Twitter today.

link to the Tweet

@TatianaLarina I actually saw/read an interview with Quentin Tarantino about the same. From his end he said he wanted to make sure the shot was realistic without causing her any harm (I'm paraphrasing as I can't remember the exact words).

Did anyone ever see the Graham Norton interview with Diane Kruger where said that in a Tarantino film in which she gets choked Quentin asked if he could do the hands himself? She didn’t feel comfortable with it but she didn’t know what to say.

Just in case that wasn't creepy enough, the film actress Asia Argento made with her horror director father Dario where she's strangled? The hands doing the strangling belonged to her father, the director.

I think I need to go play with some puppies now or something.

No it wasnt through a man, it was from around 15 years ago from having sex whilst inadvertently wearing a choker necklace that was too tight

I've overly tightened a necklace, and it makes me feel light headed from lack of oxygen. Sensibly, I loosened it before I damaged my brain and possibly body from fainting.

I completely don't understand how one draws from that, oh I'll ask someone to strangle me as it'll make me orgasm?!? truly.

As for shwing trying to have a pop at pp for inadvertently quoting the wrong board after the way you've treated abused fellow posters is just a joke.

Wind yer neck in.

I actually took a lot of care to word my post to say I dont think the people who do this are defective. I think they're doing something dumb, not that they are dumb.

And vaguely insinuating that their partners might kill them... I didn't intend to insinuate it,I intended to say it. If you ask your partner to choke you, he could kill you, or permanently disable you. I dont think that's loving or thoughtful.

@Lockheart "And FWIW, as a younger woman I've never once come across a man who expects to have anal sex, expects me to be fully shaved, or who thinks choking is a normal part of sex. I think there's a touch of dramatisation happening here."

Agreed, I, as an older man (and formally younger one) have never expected women to be 'in to' these things. It has actually surprised me (as explained upthread) how many things that partners have suggested which fall outside 'the norm'.

Lockheart

Consent is only partly the issue. The power dynamics between men and women - where it is often the case that women feel they are “letting” men do things to them, where women are pressured to “relinquish” virginity, where women are treated as commodities - mean that the “choice” to allow men to hurt you for sexual pleasure has to be looked at critically.

Is it something the woman is actually enjoying, or that she has been led to believe she should enjoy?

Is she driving the activity, or is it something she has been persuaded/pressured into doing?

Would she be just as likely to find a male partner who wanted her to cut off his breath, or is this particular form of BDSM more about facilitating male control over women?

I am willing to believe that some women get off on this. I am just as willing to believe that more women are doing this because they feel they should, particularly very young women.

Not you @ TemporaryPermanent, another poster made a comment which has now thankfully been deleted.

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Compressing the neck is NEVER safe. NEVER.

The so-called 'safe' method of compressing the carotid arteries at the sides of the neck can cause stroke (by cutting off blood supply to the brain or by dislodging plaque on the inside of the arteries, which then floats upstream, blocking blood vessels in the brain).

It can also lead to dangerous dropping of the blood pressure due to action of pressure receptors inside the carotids.

Pressure on carotids also stimulates the vagus nerve, which cause slowing or cessation of the heartbeat, ie cardiac arrest.

Cardiologists sometimes deliberately apply light pressure to a carotid artery to treat certain dangerously fast heart rhythms (by deliberately stimulating the vagus nerve). This is only ever performed following careful risk assessment, including full medical history. There is always full resus kit available and they only ever apply pressure lightly, for a short time and to one side of the neck, observing the cardiac monitor throughout.

Anyone who thinks this practice is safe is dangerously misinformed.

I totally agree @seaweedandmarchingbands, which is why I said if it's truly consensual. I don't believe "feeling like you should" is consensual.

But again, the issue is the portrayal of these practices in mass media.

@AnyMinuteNow "As for shwing trying to have a pop at pp for inadvertently quoting the wrong board after the way you've treated abused fellow posters is just a joke."

Shwing has been taking all the abuse from what I've seen (and all for suggesting that women, shock horror, can have diverse sexual tastes)

There was an interview where Tarantino talked about that incident himself and James McAvoy sitting next to him gave him some fairly epic side eye.

I think it's just more violence against girls and women.

Seems to have coincided with traditional domestic violence becoming less acceptable.

Some men really want to hurt us.

It’s a way of passing a share of blame on to the victim. Like, it was her fault I ended up killing her.

Wasn't there a recent case (Germany, I think) where a man killed his wife by inserting some hideous spiked instrument into her vagina and twisting it? And IIRC he didn't call am ambulance until several hours later.

He walked free.

Yep 15 yo boys, and younger, will shame girls for having pubes, bully and demean them for daring to shy away from anal, or having their hair pulled, like some animal.

Sickening. Poor girls today are all complying to porn norms because of the failure by authorities and parents to prevent access. Most teens have seen the worst of it by age of 13.

Their young and easily influenced minds are full of this stuff like its normal and how sex is done.

Agreed, I, as an older man

Boys today have a very different experience of porn access to you. That’s exactly the point I am making.

From his end he said he wanted to make sure the shot was realistic without causing her any harm

Well he would wouldn’t he.

Why would it be more realistic with his hands?

You're wrong PBo83

Their abusive posts been deleted.

Why would it be more realistic with his hands? Because he's a very experienced film director and knows what makes a good shot

Why would it be more realistic with his hands? Because he's a very experienced film director and knows what makes a good shot

Why didn’t he want to do all the other millions of shots then?

I reported my own posts as I lost my temper with the poster who was harping on and on at me

One has to ask, what pleasure is derived from strangling another person? People get off on all sorts of different physical sensations, so I’m open minded in so far as I can accept that people might enjoy having it done to them, but what specific physical pleasure would someone derive from squeezing the neck specifically, that they wouldn’t get from squeezing a thigh for example?

This then leads me to believe that it’s not about physical sensation, its about power and domination. Which then leads me to wonder just what sort of person would get off on that? and more over, would I want to share my most intimate experiences with someone who gets off on power and domination specifically? I mean it’s not like their motivation would even be focused on being intimate with me as a human being, it would be on them and their desire to dominate.I’m not sure why any self-respecting person would want to share their most intimate contact with a person who is motivated by their own selfish desire to dominate and feel powerful. It’s not sexy.

Maybe one of the choking cheer leading contingent can elucidate on my post?

I honestly can't think of anyone who I'm less interested in hearing from on this issue than an older man who's keen to explain how it's women primarily who want this stuff really and it's totally normal and indeed the height of professionalism for directors to strangle the actresses working for them on camera.

Because he's a very experienced film director and knows what makes a good shot

DFOD and watch Kruger’s interview above.

You can't say a fucking safe word or tap out if you're unconscious!!

I love kink as much as the next perv but the are some things that should be off anybody's limits. We KNOW there is no safe way to choke a person.

Pornhub is a much worse place than fetlife for degradation of women. I looked on it recently; really fucking impossible to find a video that isn't about basic non-consent.