To think the carotid artery is not a porn prop.

[SmileEachDay]

This from Twitter today.

link to the Tweet

Is choking/slapping/hitting an act of love? Is it something one does to a person they love?

Exactly. Why would anyone want to choke or hit someone they claim to love and respect? Grim.

If feminism purports to be a true supporter of women and their right to speak, that particular element of this thread has completely ignored that right.

And I don’t think feminism can purport to be anything. For some women who regard themselves as feminists, the fact that women voluntarily allow themselves to be hurt and maimed by men is only ever going to be alarming and sad. Those women have the right to say so in no uncertain terms.

@SmileEachDay robust disagreement is fine.

Insults, implying that other posters are sub-human, and frankly disgusting digs about hoping their partner doesn't kill them (thankfully these posts have been removed) are not robust disagreement however, and are entirely unnecessary.

@NaviSprite

One of the few people on this thread who has spoke an ounce of sense. Totally respect your viewpoints and how you've handled yourself.

Smile: and me. It was the “when” rather than the “if” and the “girl” rather than anything else (woman/partner/victim?). Horrifying.

thankfully these posts have been removed

Exactly. Which means no one has been shut down.

And to be fair, anyone who so much as said the words “breath play” to me, let alone suggested I let them strangle me, had better find copious vomit arousing as well as pain, because they would be getting quite a lot of it.

This thread could have been here to educate those who partake in 'breath play' or 'partial asphyxiation' as some of you are determined to call it.

But that was not the intention of the thread. If you want to ‘educate’ people about your sexual preferences, then start a thread on that subject.

Char - ming NOT!!!
Disgusting. Why on earth do people want to scare and hurt each other like that?

The fact they've been removed doesn't mean they were A-OK to post in the first place though.

We are going backwards in terms of women's safety
Yes. Terrifyingly so.

The intention of this thread was to become an echo chamber for how men are the scum of the earth. Which always is the way on Mumsnet.

Literally. Nothing. Changes.

Women can never be empowered enough to make their own decisions and have their own preferences. If they do, then other women have to come along and micromanage them.

I am utterly fed up of other women attempting to micromanage other women's affairs. What anyone else chooses and consents to do in the bedroom is nothing to do with you. It's private.

Equally if other women want to revile a particular sexual practice it’s nothing to do with you. Playing the victim and drawing attention to yourself on a forum contradicts your claim to privacy.

The fact they've been removed doesn't mean they were A-OK to post in the first place though

No. That is why they have been removed.

The intention of this thread was to become an echo chamber for how men are the scum of the earth. Which always is the way on Mumsnet

No it wasn’t. I started the thread because I have enormous concerns about the normalisation of choking with sexual relationships. I’ve pretty consistently returned to that them.

Please don’t decide for me why I started it.

@TatianaLarina

You'll have to re-phrase your last post. None of it makes sense and it's incomprehensible.

Which bit are you struggling with?

Muh choicezzz.

I'd love to know why exactly some women make these choices.

Why is it that you assume that all women who have experienced choking in the bedroom have been/are being abused?

Umm... lemme think... because they have experienced choking in the bedroom? Perhaps?

For what it's worth, it's not the women I judge in these situations. I am terribly sad for them and think they're victims of some pretty disturbed men, yes, but I don't hate them and am not disgusted with them. I do, however, refuse to tell them that what they're doing is good and healthy, and that it's anything other than abuse. I will not support their denial.

I put the full onus on the perpetrators - the abusive, deviant, perverted men who are willing to choke/slap/hit their partners. They are the ones I am disgusted with. I do believe that every man who is even capable of hurting a woman under ANY circumstances, bedroom included, and willing to risk her life to boot, is a dangerous abuser who shouldn't be anywhere near women.

@beautifulmelody

You've spent an entire thread judging women and belittling them.

I wonder why there's not much call for male "dominatrix" services.
Women generally don't appear to want to pay for the privilege of being slapped about, stepped on, hurt.
There's a huge market for men wanting to be dominated by women though.
Wonder why that is?

OH YES, IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE GENERALLY STRONGER THAN THE WOMEN GIVING OUT THE 'DOMINATION' and don't actually feel threatened or at risk.

Urgh. This whole think stinks. I don't give a shit if it turns some people on.

*thing

It’s ok to like it

No, can’t agree. Near death activities that could go horribly wrong aren’t ok. Perverse in every sense.

What is this if not judging:

The intention of this thread was to become an echo chamber for how men are the scum of the earth. Which always is the way on Mumsnet

BeautifulMelody is as entitled to her opinion as you are.

At least she hasn’t spent an entire thread boring people with her sexual predilections when no-one actually cares.