To be astonished that wales voted to leave the EU

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it’s one of the poorest regions in Europe.- not just in the Uk. It has received millions in investment, it will be fucked (like the NE and Cornwall) after brexit.
Just had a weekend in Cardiff, where I witnessed Brexit party supporters intimidating a polish couple on the street. I won’t be going again in a hurry. !! I know it was one incident, but i’m Shocked and dismayed 😨.

This same benefit is not one that works if you are poor. If you are poor, you are disadvantaged by the increase of labour coming from abroad. You will not benefit from many of the EUs benefits and even if it has invested in your town or city, this may not extend to you as an individual. In fact, you may not actually like the change.

The chair of the Remain campaign (Stuart Rose - ex CEO of M&S which employees lots of people on minimum wage but paid him millions) actually said that the wages of the poorest in society would rise after Brexit but that it wasn’t a good thing. Over the last few days a lot of Labour MPs including David Lammy have been complaining there are not enough low paid migrants coming for farm work. No suggestion that they should improve the wages to attract employees. It’s just madness, that’s against every single traditional value of Labour.

The EU doesn’t actually have its own funds to spend on deprived areas, we pay them, they give us a proportion of the money back and tell us how we have to spend it. The investment doesn’t seem to be very attractive to the people living in those areas. Typically they’re big shiny buildings which benefit architects and temporarily some construction workers and have jobs to attract graduates. In the long term locals can only get pretty menial minimum wage jobs in them, cleaners, customer assistants. It’s not very attractive to people who used to earn decent wages in manufacturing industries that have disappeared.

Oh, and since 2016 wages of the lowest paid have grown at their fastest rate since 2005 when Poland joined the EU. The wages of the richest have stagnated in the same period.

Oh please Exhausted the absolute scum I saw on the streets of Cardiff shouting abuse at a couple of people chatting in their own language, walking along the street were thick racist twats. They were leave voters. You’re in denial.

I'm insulted by this thread. We are all thick racist sheep shagging poor people!
Honestly, I am from an affluent area of Cardiff but have work, contacts in the poorest valleys. I will tell you honestly, the EU have done nothing for the poorest areas, money has been wasted on the most obscene artworks in poor towns! Then a great big sign goes up to say eu paid for it. Of course they are angry, towns are dead, shops are empty...
Another problem is a huge amount of homeless people, most are immigrants. I've given money, food, blankets. Then I see a large car picking up the same people. They are not homeless.
We have wealthy places here, this thread makes it sound like a pit!
We have poor places and they are not equipped to cope with immigration.
Cardiff is very multi cultural, if you witnessed that, I'm sorry.
It's nothing I have seen over 40 years in Cardiff or in the sticks...
Is the only racist incident happen in the UK was Wales, because we're all stupid enough to vote for brexit?

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Oh that old chestnut!
Keeping along with the Christmas feel

YeOldeTrout you’re reading it wrong, Cardiff is the darkest purple on that immigration map.

Me and my failing bold 🤦🏽‍♀️

I’m from the valleys originally. It’s a very xenophobic place: people are even suspicious of people from the next village.

Yes ssd, have a look at the hundreds of thousands of pounds that has been wasted on a few pieces of artwork in towns that are on the bones of their areas!
The children in desperate need in primary schools in that area they have breakfast and parenting classes. Money needs to teach a generation, not make a pretty ball in a town or a clock that doesn't work

"Another problem is a huge amount of homeless people, most are immigrants."

What? I live near the city centre of Cardiff and most homeless people here are NOT immigrants.

"a few pieces of artwork in towns that are on the bones of their areas!"

How the money is spent is decided locally. Also, the money goes on all sorts of things.

"we pay them, they give us a proportion of the money back and tell us how we have to spend it. "

The thread is about Wales and this is not true in the case of Wales. As has already been pointed out, Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU. We get much more money than we put in, it is NOT our money being sent back.

Wales is a net beneficiary of the EU. We get much more money than we put in, it is NOT our money being sent back.

That’s an absolutely nonsensical argument. Wales is part of the UK and the UK is a net contributor. This would only have any significance if tax and public spending for Wales was separate from the rest of the Union.

"The chair of the Remain campaign..."

People on the Leave side have said much worse things. One of the few pro-leave economists said that yes, manufacturing will suffer after Brexit, but that should happen anyway and it should be intentionally driven to the ground as was done for coal mining.

twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1056568783400243201?lang=en

Gwenhwyfr,
It's my opinion from my area. Moved away from Cathays, it's not particularly pleasant to be awoken by having your bins being broken by homeless people and a spate of sexual assaults.
I was never going to bring my children up around that! Moved around alot since then but never again.
I have beautiful quiet surroundings now.
Happy days for me.

Shouting abuse at a couple of people chatting in their own language, walking along the street were thick racist twats, they were leavers
Shouting abuse at people for speaking a different language is appalling behaviour.
Ive seen many a post on here whinging about Welsh people speaking their own language. Apparently they suddenly switch to Welsh even before the visitor has opened their mouth.
I'm positive that English people don't shout abuse at Welsh people for speaking their Mother tongue.
But the irony here is risible.

"That’s an absolutely nonsensical argument. "

It's not nonsensical at all.
When I ask people, even leave voters, if they trust Westminster to replace the money the EU was giving Wales, they say 'no'. That money is given to us by the EU rather than by the UK so Wales is gaining from it and we will not once/if we leave.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/happy-st-davids-day-what-has-the-eu-done-for-wales-1-5912837

The EU doesn’t actually have its own funds to spend on deprived areas, we pay them, they give us a proportion of the money back and tell us how we have to spend it.

Yes. I'm sure the UK government will fall over itself in order to give cash to Wales and Sort Out All Our Problems once we are out of the EU. As they have done in the past. Yes. Unicorns. Rainbows. Things can't get worse can they? Except they can and they will.

When I ask people, even leave voters, if they trust Westminster to replace the money the EU was giving Wales, they say 'no'. That money is given to us by the EU rather than by the UK so Wales is gaining from it and we will not once/if we leave.

But we have always had governments who allowed preferential treatment in public spending in Wales, Scotland and NI via the Barnett formula. I don’t see any reason Brexit would change that.

11Gwenhwyfar

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/happy-st-davids-day-what-has-the-eu-done-for-wales-1-5912837

Thank you.

I hope people here read this. Bit more than some random artwork.

Reinforces what I said earlier about people having no clue what the EU did for their area.

Ceredigion voted to remain...

@ExhaustedGrinch; I'm wondering if this alleged attack you keep ranting about actually happened or if it's just a fantastical stick to berate thick, stupid, racist, Welsh leavers with.

What the EU did with our tax money you mean. How generous they gave some of it back.