I’m so fed up with all this vegan wankery

[TitaniaQueenOfTheFairies]

To all you actual vegans, amazing, I wish you a long and happy life.

I am just so fed up with veganism taking over the world, when I have yet to come across an actual one. *edited to say that some places in the world don’t have a choice

Restaurants falling over themselves with vegan menus offering fake meat and plastic cheese.

Veganuary - people just going to the supermarket and buying fake meat, rather than actually trying to eat differently.

People eating ‘vegan food’. Just eat an apple, or a carrot with houmous or any other naturally occurring food that an animal hasn’t produced. It’s not hard.

And I can’t even begin with all the plant based twattery. Many people have been quietly eating less or no meat, fish, eggs & dairy for many years and have had no need to pontificate about it.

I know I am probably being unreasonable but I just need to say it.

I do wonder what country all these embattled meat eaters live in where they are constantly under attack from “mouthy vegans”.....

If a mouthy vegan came up to me at a shop or cafe

This never happens.
Your thoughts are irrational.

I could say the same thing about other groups where a small portion are louder than the majority, but I don’t because a small minority doesn’t represent the majority.

I’m not vegan, but have no issue with it and just see it as another way of eating. I made a vegan cake for my son’s birthday because I was low on milk and it had his favourite fruits (bananas and strawberries) in it. It tasted no different than a cake with milk and eggs. It didn’t last 24 hours.

I eyeroll the people who can’t fathom a single meal or day without meat and then complain about restaurants serving more food options that happen to be vegetarian/vegan when it doesn’t effect the other items on the menu. Heaven forbid restaurants try to be inclusive while making money so they can stay in business. I find those types way worse than the strict vegans.

If a mouthy vegan came up to me at a shop or cafe Anyone else immediately think of the Harry Enfield character "Angry man" who used to have all sorts of hilarious angry fantasies.

This thread is utterly mad

Actually I think they were called the Self Righteous Brothers and Frank was the Angry man! 😂

The stereotype of a vegan used to be of a thin, pale weedy person who couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Now it’s an aggressive, fighty person snatching burgers from people’s lips and stamping on them!

So let's give a big cheer for all this vegan wankery. It's called progress!

Next step is to move away from the all-or-nothing ideal.

The principle that a vegan must never, ever, ever eat an animal product or they are not vegan and they are totally unreasonable refusing to eat the sausage casserole you made, because you know they ate an egg once.

I only eat high welfare products- so I will eat eggs from the lady up the road who has rescue hens that live in complete luxury.

But jesus some people’s reactions. If i prefer to go to a certain restaurant because they have more vegan choice I am ridiculed and told I eat eggs so I’m not vegan, so i should shut up and come to the burger place.

People should have the choice.

@windbeneathmybingowings your username has just made me cackle out loud !

And also, this COMPLETELY makes sense:

*Next step is to move away from the all-or-nothing ideal.

The principle that a vegan must never, ever, ever eat an animal product or they are not vegan and they are totally unreasonable refusing to eat the sausage casserole you made, because you know they ate an egg once.*

@bluebluezoo sorry, forgot to namecheck!

@bluebluezoo

Completely agree with this!! Only feel you can do a bit? Do that bit! Not vegan but swap cows milk for oat milk? Brilliant!! Swap mince for lentils in your bolognese? That's really great.

Someone once said to me that my point of view was invalid as I hadn't been vegan all my life. I asked if they only listen to doctors who've been doctors all their life 😁

I think encourage all the small changes because they really make a difference.

Threads on certain topics become pretty predictable. I sympathise with vegans who took the decision years ago as they now find themselves faced with poor choices.

Not sure about wankery but some aspects of the debate have lost the deep caring attitude that led Donald Watson (quaker and conscientious objector) to coin the word in 1944.

We're not vegan but have made some changes over the years to decrease our pressure on the planet. Homemade muesli is vegan, though fifty years ago no-one would have dreamt of calling it that. Lunch is usually a salad, about 50/50 vegetarian/omnivore and evening meal generally omnivore, often fish or vegetarian.

We're very wary of the current trend. Gregg’s vegan sausage roll has 9% saturated fat and uses palm oil, it’s not healthy nor environmentally friendly. Vegan cheese has no protein but lots of fat. Many of the vegan snacks are just as bad for us as the ‘normal’ kind. Processed food is not good, whether vegan or not.

Plants do contain most of the chemicals that humans need to survive, but not in one plant. Doctors supporting vegans advise to eat a wide variety of plants to get the chemicals and in significant quantities because absorption rates are lower particularly as we get older.

Environmentally, as a nation we should eat and buy less, that will help the planet.

Ploughing the soil releases nitrous oxide, a green house gas, so hoping to feed the planet by growing plants will not solve the problem. Rice is particularly problematic in the amount of methane produced. It is true that methane from ruminants is a more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon ones, but it doesn’t last so long - typically ten to twenty years, whilst carbon stays virtually forever. The Oxford Martin School (Oxford University) has produced some useful studies.

Vegan products, such as plant or nut milks, are part of industrial processing as are the various additives to make them healthy. That processing uses carbon energy as does building the factory and transportation.

Ever heard of IRL?
If a mouthy vegan came up to me at a shop or cafe I'd ignore and eat my burger like it's the most orgasmic burger in the world and the mouthy vegan ain't even there. Which to many would be worse than me mouthing off back
Forums? Whole different kettle of fish, I respond then decide if I can be assed coming back.

When would a "mouthy vegan" ever just come up to you in real life? Bizarre. You sound real tough though, good for you. Enjoy your orgasm, whatever turns you on I guess ...........

My best friend at work is vegan and has been for years ... she never tries to convert people or preach at them .. she just does it for the animals ... she has done it for years and now it's lovely that when we go out there are more things for her on the menu .. I'm not vegan but eat loads of vegan food ... I don't understand why people are so hostile to vegans ... I was buying a vegan sausage roll and a man in the queue was so sneery and nasty ..... just let people make their choices and get on with their lives peacefully

Here are a couple of interesting articles, if anyone would like to have a read of:-

sustainabledish.com/dietitians-11-reasons-why-im-team-meat/

and

www.square1wellness.com/why-i-eat-meat/

The stereotype of a vegan used to be of a thin, pale weedy person who couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Now it’s an aggressive, fighty person snatching burgers from people’s lips and stamping on them!

Personally, I like to think I offer the best of both worlds.

My typical vegan day goes something like:

I wake up so weak that I can barely pull my Meat is Murder t shirt over my head. I anaemically stagger out of the commune where I live with all the other vegans, tripping over the ones that have died during the night. Shuffling down the street, I see someone eat a burger and become incandescent with rage. I go to douse them in red paint as a protest but my muscles are so wasted from my zero protein diet (everyone knows you can only get protein from meat) so I unfortunately cannot lift the paint can. Weak and enraged, I lie down exhausted in the street and howl at a drain. By tomorrow I will probably be dead from vitamin B12 deficiency. Others will rise to take my place.

@Ziraphale

ziraphale that’s very good.

"I don't know why meat-eaters are so desperate to shove their food choices down everyone's throats. No one actually cares what you eat, you don't have to justify not being vegan."

Not sure what you mean, Joy, meat eating (omnivore) is the default human diet, it's the norm and has been throughout history (led to bigger brains/intelligence etc).

I am, however, reassured that you don't care what the vast majority of the human race eats and hope that you can accept everyone's way of eating without judgement.

I miss this thread OP and it's my current bug bear.
I detest "healthy substitutes" being peddled to my children especially when they're anything but.
Vegan diets DO NOT provide enough nutrient and minerals to sustain humans and therefore are not healthy or balanced.
People just need to eat sensible mix of meat and non-meat proteins, vegetable and carbohydrates.

*@underneaththeash *
Vegan diets DO NOT provide enough nutrient and minerals to sustain humans and therefore are not healthy or balanced.
People just need to eat sensible mix of meat and non-meat proteins, vegetable and carbohydrates.

Can you tell us why you think this? Both the British and American Dietetic Associations have said that a vegan diet can support healthy living in people of all ages.

Here's a link to the bda website
www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=179

@Cam77, veggie burgers are fine, it's quorn that is super weird. It's like a mass produced bubbling mouldy slime. I've never eaten it since I saw that Greg Wallis programme about it.

What an offensive and unnecessary outpouring.
Factory farming and general greed means that you are buying into hateful cruelty and if you are happy with that fine.
Having options to avoid the grim reality of eating meat and animal products is a good thing, it's down to individuals to decide. If you eat meat you should own the decision so ensure you are up to speed with the local abbotoir and their record. You will be able to watch the videos of the mindless torture the Neanderthal workers inflict on the living creatures in their care. Still, it's all good fun isn't it, it's only meat. Kicking a pig to death to make a you tube video doesn't matter does it?

I don't know why meat-eaters are so desperate to shove their food choices down everyone's throats. No one actually cares what you eat, you don't have to justify not being vegan.

To be fair I don’t think most meat eaters do push their choices on everyone else.

What meat eaters often do which makes me 😡is show how broad minded they are by saying they like vegan/ veggie food too. Then they take both the meat and veggie options and delplete what is available for non meat eaters. This happens especially at work functions, parties etc. You see the veggie option progressively disappearing before you get to the front of the queue.

There was a definite government push in 2018 about how cutting out red meat significantly reduces risks of bowel cancer etc. Reports on this have been around for years -so it was odd the government pushed the advice on this in 2018.

If you were cynical you might think there’s a reason behind the increased focus on the availability and benefits of vegan and veggie food. There has definitely been a noticeable increased range of supermarket vegan and veggie products over the last three years or so.

Perhaps the food industry has been preparing for problems with meat supply and higher cost? Hence the increased vegan visibility.

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