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To not want DD to get suspended over a nose piercing?

326 replies

Helpmeplease123456 · 26/09/2019 19:08

She is year 11. She got her septum pierced at the beginning of this month (when she turned 16, she asked me previously and I said no. She said fine, I'll go when I'm 16 and don't need consent and she went with a friend a couple of days after her birthday. She has now had it a couple of weeks.

Her school have a ban on facial piercings, only one lobe piercing for each ear is allowed. She did know this and I did too, hence why I said I wasn't giving permission. Obviously I respect she doesn't need it now.

Her school (of course) noticed this the first day she showed up with it and are demanding she takes it out. I have had multiple phone calls about this, during which I've said short of physically yanking it out, there's nothing I can do. She's refusing to twist it up into her nose (which effectively hides it) and is complaining that the school aren't respecting her personal expression. On Monday the school basically said take it out or we'll put you into isolation until it comes out. She refused and has spent 4 days in isolation. (They let her out at lunchtime so she still sees her friends- she doesn't really see the isolation as a punishment i don't think. She likes the quiet time to do the learning without distraction.

I got a call today saying they're thinking of a fixed term suspension if it doesn't come out. Again, they seemed to be implying that I can make her take it out. I really don't want her to be suspended over a nose ring in such an important year but do I just have to accept there's nothing I can do?

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LolaSmiles · 27/09/2019 12:26

I agree seaweed.
The school is open, she has a place and they are willing to provide an education.

She is not entitled to dictate a whole organisation works around her whims and expect everyone to bend over backwards when she has made it very clear she cares more about being stroppy than getting her educt.

OttilieKnackered · 27/09/2019 12:36

She’s acting like a tiresome brat. I hope she stops doing so.

SconeofDestiny · 27/09/2019 13:43

I'd let the school suspend her and for her to live with the consequences in the short term.
The more you and the school insist, the more she will rebel.
You don't own your children so if they are determined to make life choices that you don't like, they have to live with the consequences.
Personally, I'd rather her rebel over wearing a nose piercing than get pregnant at 16 or start taking drugs.

mrsjg · 27/09/2019 14:50

I wonder if no news is good news and she's realised that this is one battle she won't win.

FilledSoda · 27/09/2019 14:59

The result will be leaving school , missing vital exams and finding it almost impossible to get a job? She's okay with that then ?

TulipsTulipsTulips · 27/09/2019 15:03

Why should the school bend the rules? She should either comply or accept the consequences. That’s life

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/09/2019 15:26

I think you should support the suspension. And switch off the wifi; regardless of revision.

Sorry, and I know you don't want her education to suffer, but she's doing the 'I'm special, rules don't apply to me' teenage flounce.

Unfortunately, they bloody well do.

And she's old enough to learn the hard way.

Time to be a tough parent.

cornish009 · 27/09/2019 15:39

I am going to look up homeschooling and online schools just in case this escalates

I am a foster carer and have much experience of looking after teenagers who have been excluded from school/s, refuse to go etc. I wonder if you aware of how much the above costs. We are talking three figures or more for online schools. And although I consider myself very bright, I do not think I, or many others, can teach all different subjects to GCSE standard. So that would mean a tutor which again is expensive, really expensive. I currently looked into it all with the 16 year old we currently have in our care, and was astounded at the cost.

Pinkyyy · 27/09/2019 15:41

What happened today OP?

Elodie2019 · 27/09/2019 16:02

She thinks if she gets suspended she's going to go to the papers and be on the news and the school won't like the bad publicity and will allow her back

Wow. She really is ridiculous OP.

Yes, look into home schooling and do everyone a favour.

angieloumc · 27/09/2019 16:16

I have a 15 yo DD.
I'm afraid if I were you I'd be getting 'hard copy' revision books and making her use those instead of the laptop.
She's being ridiculous but you are being a pushover by not 'disciplining' her.

Elphame · 27/09/2019 16:34

Is there a reason why she can't have a retainer and just flip it up so it's invisible?

DuesToTheDirt · 27/09/2019 16:47

She thinks if she gets suspended she's going to go to the papers and be on the news and the school won't like the bad publicity and will allow her back

Anyone else follow Angry People in Local Newspapers on facebook? They have an ongoing "Home You Go" series of postings on pouty teenagers who've gone to the papers because they were sent home due to their hair/shoes/uniform/piercings. It's hilarious, especially the comments - not much sympathy for these kids!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/09/2019 16:48

Let her get suspended and make her time at home as boring as possible

I would take her key and not let her sit about the house, either. Let her spend the day in the library until you come in from work. She can take a flask and a sandwich and consume them at the nearest bus stop.

Don't give her the chance to get any advantage from this situation.

independentfriend · 27/09/2019 17:28

I think the way round this is to:

  • give her a way to give in gracefully (maybe, a very new piercing needs to be metal, but now it's been in for a while it's OK to change it for a clear (? plastic) retainer).

*help her find something "safer" to be cross about

*try to teach the lesson about conceding the battle to win the war.

*maybe talk to her about the successfulness of insurgency campaigns ie. a head on attack on an opponent bigger and with more resources than you is unlikely to be effective, but adopting different tactics might be

*help her look at sixth form options - where does she want to go next Sept? Tactical retreat for nine months is often a good plan.

Londonmummy66 · 27/09/2019 17:38

She's a bit like the Karen Brockman character in the last episode of Outnumbered who is stamped on by Rebecca Front's rather wonderful headmistress - perhaps you should get her to watch it OP....

"I bet you win all the arguments at home don’t you? Of course you do, because they’re family. They’re your prisoners. You can grind them down day after day but I’m not your prisoner am I Karen? To me, you’re just one child out of several hundred. You see Karen, everybody’s unique but nobody’s special. That’s the real world and the real world isn’t going to change so you are going to have to. Ok?"

Alwaysgrey · 27/09/2019 17:55

What is her argument for not just flipping it up?

GummyGoddess · 27/09/2019 18:10

I imagine suspension, no Wi-Fi and grounding will encourage her to flip it. No socialising opportunities at all otherwise.

She's being ridiculous, you don't even want her to remove it.

Helpmeplease123456 · 27/09/2019 18:47

Well, mixed news from today. By the time I'd left for work (she leaves after me) she still had it in and not flipped up. She said she would flip it up when she got there. I got a phone call about half an hour after school starts to say she had entered school with it flipped up and has gone back to normal lessons, all good I thought. Finally she has seen sense.

Well apparently not. Her 3rd class teacher reported her. Apparently she had flipped it back down and was rude to said teacher when asked to please flip it back up or be sent back down to isolation. She then refused to do this, citing that it's uncomfortable to flip it? But was basically being cheeky, rude and distrupting learning. So she was sent down to the office for isolation and I got another phone call. I had to go in for a meeting after lunch and miss work.
(She still got released for lunch though!!! I literally don't get how they think isolation is going to do anything if she doesn't miss lunchtime. Her friends are probably all egging her on, telling her she's so brave and all that!)

Basically the headteacher and her head of year have said, she is not as of yet suspended, they really don't want to suspend her (don't think it looks great on their records) and as they think progress was made this morning when she flipped it up, they are giving her until Monday, if she shows up on Monday with it in, I have to pick her up immediately, and she gets a fixed term suspension. Which is actually what I thought would happen today and by dragging it out 'D'd is less and less likely to think they'll actually do it, but anyhow.

In the car I just said I was really dissapointed, and if she ends up suspended, the wifi will be off, she won't be going anywhere, her gymnastics club will be cancelled, and she won't be having any fun. I really don't want to cancel the gymnastics, its the only out of school activity she does and it's a release for her, so hopefully she will sort herself out by Monday.

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C0untDucku1a · 27/09/2019 18:50

She wont because she is testing you.

Wifi off this weekend anyway.
download the revision guides she wants to use this weekend.
Order hard copies of the others.
Bedroom reading this evening only.

C0untDucku1a · 27/09/2019 18:51

Seriously op you really REALLY need to do some discipling at this stage.

Helpmeplease123456 · 27/09/2019 18:57

Her phone has been confiscated since we got home this evening. She won't need it at the weekend. She is currently sulking in her room because she asked for takeaway for tea and I said absolutely not. She can eat what I make or go hungry (or make her own food, but she refuses to cook). I have made it pretty clear I am not happy with her.

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LolaSmiles · 27/09/2019 18:57

Why are you STILL saying you don't want to take gymnastics etc off her?
She's sticking two fingers up.

School are already being more lenient than mine would be (probably because she's y11 rather than their stats).

Like you I'm amazed she's our of isolation back in circulation at lunch (most schools do separate lunches), however you seem to still be seeing this is a school issue when it's actually the end of years and years of being allowed to do as she pleases with you because she knows you'll not do anything.

Helpmeplease123456 · 27/09/2019 18:59

I don't particularly want to cancel the gymnastics as it is healthy for her and gets her out of my hair for an hour or so

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StCharlotte · 27/09/2019 19:02

Is there a reason why she can't have a retainer and just flip it up so it's invisible?

Yes. Pure bloody-mindedness.