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Shamima Begum....where do you stand?

999 replies

LeahSMS · 26/09/2019 10:50

What are your thoughts?

AIBU to think she was only a child but unfortunately she’s now considered as a threat so therefore she will never return it’s not only about her safety but the people around her?

Tell me your thoughts

OP posts:
CornishCreation · 26/09/2019 15:33

For those saying do you feel the same about James bulgers killers who were just children, where is John venables now back in prison for more child related offences because he's that way inclined weather that's by his own means or influence.
Are we to bring her back just to see if she blows up our house or our children's school and if she is still dangerous or do we not take that risk and protect ourselves and loved ones from potential danger?

Idontwanttotalk · 26/09/2019 15:34

"Actions have consequences. Begum and all the other U.K. citizens who travelled to join Daesh made their choices. They now have to live with the consequences of those choices.
I totally agree.

Begum is a terrorist who would blow up you and your children
without a second thought if she was ever allowed to return to the U.K. Sajid Javid was absolutely right to revoke her U.K. citizenship."
I agree with her UK citizenship being revoked. Why do people just accept that she has now seen the error of her ways?

If this was a divorce case and she was deciding where she wanted to live and with whom, MNers would be saying that, at 15, she could decide for herself. They would say she was a young woman and not a child. I agree. She is old enough to have made her decision and, as an adult, she has to live with those consequences.

I'm not happy to take the chance on the possibility that the radicalisation process could be reversed. If she returned I don't believe the police service and/or other agencies would necessarily have the resources to keep an eye on her movements at all times. I would prefer to know she can never come back here.

Pinkyyy · 26/09/2019 15:35

I read a news article yesterday where someone said she didn't shed a tear after her third child died in 5 months. But yes, let's spend our money giving her food, a bed and therapy.

Penners99 · 26/09/2019 15:36

She is too far gone, warped and evil to ever be allowed back to the UK.

StealthPolarBear · 26/09/2019 15:38

Which countries deserve her warped evilness?

Pinkyyy · 26/09/2019 15:38

When she was tracked down this week she was not wearing a veil and appeared to be wearing lip gloss and had a nose stud.

Sounds like she's finding it really difficult there.

smemorata · 26/09/2019 15:38

If you join or go against the UK in this way, there should be no way back.

Where should she be then? Why should any other country have to deal with her? Should we be taking in other terrorist sympathisers for other countries? No? Why do we expect someone else to deal with them then?

DarlingNikita · 26/09/2019 15:44

I read a news article yesterday where someone said she didn't shed a tear after her third child died in 5 months. But yes, let's spend our money giving her food, a bed and therapy

'someone'?

MellowBird85 · 26/09/2019 15:46

Oh please stop referring to her as a “groomed teenage girl” as though she’s comparable to the sexual exploitation / grooming gang victims. She was radicalised and deserves everything she gets.

InsertFunnyUsername · 26/09/2019 15:48

Britain does take in stateless people. She isnt the first stateless person to exist and wont be the last. There are much better cases deserving of your sympathy. And you wont have to make up all these scenarios to justify their actions either.

Frazzledmum123 · 26/09/2019 15:48

@LightsInOtherPeoplesHouses someone very close to me worked as a criminal psychologist and a lot of who she worked with were paedophiles. I was talking to her about it recently actually and she said over half had been abused as children and it was exactly this reason why they offended, their morals regarding sex and children were so badly skewed that they honestly didnt see it as wrong. Obviously there are some people who are just evil but a lot come from horrendous backgrounds themselves. It's sad, that these innocent children get their futures taken away by sickos but unless there is punishment, the circle will be repeated. The ISIS brides were children who were groomed, but so were many other criminals, it may seem unfair to punish them but it comes down to how many other people could be hurt if we dont

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/09/2019 15:50

Why should she be the problem of another country

Hasn’t Syria enough people to deal with

Moondancer73 · 26/09/2019 15:51

@MellowBird85 couldn't agree more.

Moondancer73 · 26/09/2019 15:54

@Katex888 her family are extreme too - have you not seen the images of her father burning the Union Jack? Does that not give you some insight into her upbringing? 🙄

NoTheresa · 26/09/2019 15:55

At least she now knows that actions have consequences. Why the hell should she, or others in her situation, stroll back into the UK?

Idontwanttotalk · 26/09/2019 15:55

@GettingABitDesperateNow

"If you have been brought up with a certain set of beliefs it is extremely difficult for anyone especially a child, to see past this. If you have been brought up to believe that fighting for your religion is acceptable, how are you supposed to know 'right' from 'wrong'?"
If you can be indoctrinated in this way, what evidence is there that the situation will definitely be reversed so that she is no longer a threat to the UK society should she be accepted back?

I've just read an article on her lack of likeability due to her appearing in her videos to be cold, self-contained, unrepentant and emotionless. (She sounds like a psychopath).

ALongHardWinter · 26/09/2019 15:59

The remarks she made about the Manchester Arena bombing were unforgivable. IMO she's made her bed,she can lie in it. I get fed up with people making excuses for her.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 26/09/2019 16:04

She should be brought back and tried by the judiciary

How do you suggest she's brought back? Why should anyone risk their life for her?

GettingABitDesperateNow · 26/09/2019 16:05

I'm not saying there is any evidence that her thought processes can be reversed. Im saying that it's easy for people to have been brought up correctly, to be able to distinguish right from wrong.

I'm also saying I think we should follow our current laws in relation to her. Our current laws say it's illegal to make someone stateless. Yes other countries do it but these countries are normally in the middle of some kind of genocide or civil war - I dont think that gives us an excuse to behave the same way.

I'm also saying that we never have proof with criminals that they will never re-offend. But once they have completed their punishment or sentence and have ticked all the boxes for parole then the system makes an educated guess and releases them into society. Very very few crimes have life long sentences. I get emotions run high but I don't think we can pick and choose who the law applies to (eg not let her back in if it's not legal just incase she does something here). Paedophiles, rapists, murderes, violent criminals finish their sentences and get released back into society every day. Why should she be different

GlitchStitch · 26/09/2019 16:06

Oh yes, the worst thing about this case is somebody referring to a member of a terrorist organisation, who celebrated children being blown up, as a 'scumbag'. Hmm

JellyNo15 · 26/09/2019 16:06

I did feel sympathy for her at fifteen and being groomed, but she has since shown no remorse and said some evil things. Now show her as a example.

museumum · 26/09/2019 16:06

I don't agree we can just wash our hands of her and declare her no longer british. She was a citizen righfully so should have remained one. She's certainly no ties to bangladesh (having bangladeshi citizenship also i think was the excuse for removing uk citizenship). It's not bangladesh's fault. We should remain responsible for her. If she wants to come back but has commited a crime then put her in prison. If she hasn't then... well she hasn't.
Removal of citizenship is not a valid sanction in today's world.

Toorahtoorahaye · 26/09/2019 16:08

I just don’t care about her. In all the completely innocent people involved over there who have been killed, maimed, raped, traumatized etc who had no choice - she is at the bottom of my sympathy list. I don’t hate her, I felt sad at the time with what I felt these silly young girls had done - but years down the line - I just don’t care. I think possibly she should be our prblem to deal with if the country she is currently in wants shot of her.

Idontwanttotalk · 26/09/2019 16:09

Breaking the law in other countries results in incarceration in those countries. She should be in prison in Syria and subject to the laws there.

This is the same as we do in the UK, irrespective of where someone is born.

Toorahtoorahaye · 26/09/2019 16:10

I read a news article yesterday where someone said she didn't shed a tear after her third child died in 5 months. But yes, let's spend our money giving her food, a bed and therapy.

And that proves or means what exactly? What is your point?

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