Boris Johnson should resign

[Cinammoncake]

He's lied to the Queen and shut down parliament illegally. He's not fit to be PM and should resign now.

Sounds like he’s going for a second prorogation. Only this time it will be a ‘normal’ length one, ie less than a week.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting.

This is where the rest of Parliament and Tory rebels really need to get their act together.

I do find it worrying that there is such a widespread lack of understanding of the role of judges. There is some utter nonsense on Twitter. Essentially the justices couldn’t do anything else because a PM with the ability to prorogue at will could lead to dictatorship. Listening to the evidence sessions last week, I thought if the case was found to be justiciable then they’d find the actions unlawful. The evidence from John Major’s lawyer was powerful on the risks of prorogation powers being exploited.

Who the fuck does he think he is to disagree with the supreme court? Does he really think he knows better than the most senior judges. The arrogance of him. His words undermine their authority. Well if anyone believed him.

Yes, he is in NY making a complete twat of himself, banging on about the underground, elevators, orange juice and military tape measures, rambling shite.

He reminded of a drunk down at the pub on a friday night with no audience.

Yes, he is in NY making a complete twat of himself, banging on about the underground, elevators, orange juice and military tape measures, rambling shite.

He reminded of a drunk down at the pub on a friday night with no audience.

indeed. If I mention the blue sky and how much I like New York then we can just draw a line under it all and everyone will think I'm great.
Utterly cringey

I think he'll just carry on as before.

And the frighten thing is, he'll get away with it.

And regarding a GE, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Tories got back in. There seems to be a weird sort of fondness for Boris. His cronies see him as 'one of us' and for some reason, he seems to send a lot of working class people into weak kneed, forelock tugging, 'what a jolly toff he is' mode. I don't get it.

And given the opposition is pretty much, waste of space, Corbyn I suspect a lot of people won't even bother voting.

Then when the results come in they'll all be opened mouthed when we get the same bloody shower back in.

I fear you may be right pigsDofly

But, he's not been in office long at all, and look at the string of disasters in that time. I don't think he'll end up with better than another hung parliament with a stronger LibDem and SNP presence.

Apparently until 1998, the law Boris broke would result in execution as punishment.

Fortunately, the European Court of Human rights stepped in to remove that - lucky for him

Don't Johnson and his mates want to abolish namby-pamby Human Rights and bring back hanging? Time to put their money where their mouths are.

I think he was just want this country needed to get it through brexit. May was good and tried too but the deal resulting was terrible and a no deal looked better than that deal by a long shot.

I do think he has to go now, next best thing is to vote in the Lib Dem and their revoke A50 plan.

I completly agree, any other PM would have resigned by now, he has been found to have broken the law and by inference he lied to the Queen and to
Parliament and people like BJ and Rees Mogg would be calling for their blood if a Labour PM has done this. I certainly am not a fan of Thatcher but she would not have behaved this way and I can't think of a single past PM who would, Tory or Labour.

No you're right Cinammoncake he's not going to come out of a GE as the conquering hero, but I suspect he'll still have the upper hand.

I'm rather disappointed with the LIbDems. As a rabid remainer I was all set to vote for them, but having seen Jo Swinson give her slightly maniacal speech at conference I've rather gone off the idea. I fear they've probably shot themselves in the their collective foot.

I can't vote Labour with Corbyn and his cronies at the helm.

Shame there's no SNP in SE England.

@Idontwanttotalk is correct; the Court did not find Johnson lied to the Queen (see paragraph 15 of the judgment). They also drew no conclusions on Johnson’s motives for the prorogation: they determined they did not need to do so, because his motives were irrelevant if, as they did conclude, the effect of the prorogation - regardless of motive - was unlawful. I suspect Johnson will take some crumbs of comfort from those facts, after all there’s little else in the judgment for him, and use them to justify not resigning.

HOWEVER - the Court also commented on what scant evidence it had before it as to the PM’s reasons for proroguing Parliament. All it had was that one memo refers to in the statement and the judgment. It would have been open, and perhaps expected, of Johnson to put a witness statement into Court to explain his reasons for proroguing. If he had done so, the statement would have to be signed with a statement swearing to the truthfulness of its content. The fact that, in such a high-stakes matter, he decided not to do so in my opinion speaks volumes...

TriciaH87 This is much more important than Brexit. He was behaving like a dictator. If he got away with closing down parliament for 5 weeks to stop debate any PM could do it in the future if they wanted to railroad something through.
Some people seem to forget we live in a parliamentary democracy and many people who voted leave said they did do because they wanted our UK parliament to be sovereign.

Yes, but he won’t.

Quite a few people trying to convince themselves Brexit won't happen on 31st October this year.It will

We'll see....Don't bet on it.
I was just going on what experts have been saying on TV this lunchtime.
Parliament can get him out and the EU will extend if we have an election.
Brexit may well happen, but not by 31st October

@Sparadrap

"Go to a European court" - now there's a thought!

Of course he should resign as any honourable person should.

I have just seen the flaw in that ...

But what on earth would happen Boris did resign? Another Tory leadership election or would Jeremy Hunt just be asked to take over?

I do find it worrying that there is such a widespread lack of understanding of the role of judges. There is some utter nonsense on Twitter. Essentially the justices couldn’t do anything else because a PM with the ability to prorogue at will could lead to dictatorship.

I know - it’s amazing how many people think the court must have reached this decision for fun or out of some political motivation. But if you read the judgment you see they really had no choice but to the reach the conclusion they did, especially as BJ refused to provide them with any evidence about his reasons for invoking the power to prorogue or any rationale for the extraordinary length of the prorogation.

why would JH be asked to take over? I wonder what they will all do if there is a GE, Boris wins and a 2nd referendum shows that the majority of the public want brexit to go ahead on 31st October. If there is a referendum will there will be option of no deal brexit for us to vote for.

If he had done so, the statement would have to be signed with a statement swearing to the truthfulness of its content. The fact that, in such a high-stakes matter, he decided not to do so in my opinion speaks volumes...

Absolutely! He didn’t want to perjure himself as that could result in a prison sentence.

I wonder what they will all do if there is a GE, Boris wins and a 2nd referendum shows that the majority of the public want brexit to go ahead on 31st October. If there is a referendum will there will be option of no deal brexit for us to vote for.

If a fair campaign is run and people vote to leave with no deal, knowing it will cause food shortages, medicine shortages, ruin the economy etc, then people would have to accept it. It would be fairer than things as they currently stand if we left with no deal, because we've no proof that's what people want. But there's not time for all this to happen by Oct 31st

I was only thinking Jeremy Hunt taking over would avoid the need for another leadership election, or are people thinking he may stay on as leader of the Tory Party and just resign as PM?

Without a general election, which the opposition don't want yet, or a change in leadership of both the Tory and Labour parties, there is no one who could command a majority in parliament.

fifthtimelucky they could go for a government of national unity with someone like Ken Clarke in charge, who can get a majority to extend and organise a referendum or GE.

He was never fit to be Prime Minister in the first place. This is just another reason.