My DD's first boyfriend is transgender and I feel weird about it.

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I've always been a very liberal minded person. Supported gay rights all my life. My best friend and DN are gay. I support the rights of Trans people to live their life etc.

My dd15 has a nice group of friends (boys and girls). In that group is a Trans teen (Female to Male). He changed his name in Y8, He's totally accepted as Male at school. There are no issues. He looks completely Male and people who don't know him would never think that he'd been born female. He's a nice boy who is well liked. All good.

Except last night my DD told me she's going out with him. I've surprised myself that this has unnerved me.

My dd hasn't had a BF before. She's only ever snogged one boy before at a party. She says she's 100% straight. She says she fancies the cool older boys in Sixth Form. Has teenage celebrity crushes on boys like Tom Holland etc. So how does this work for her?

Last night I told her all was fine and just to be careful they didn't damage a friendship if they broke up etc, but I didn't make a big deal of it.

Would you find this weird if your dc said they were straight? Please be honest. I'm kind of hoping it fizzles out without any drama.

They're adults.

Not all patients with anxiety or undergoing cosmetic, or unnecessary surgery, are adults.

Children are treated for anxiety.
Children have cosmetic surgery and how about baby boys being circumcised for religious or cultural reasons? Do they have an illness that needs treatment? That is a procedure being conducted for no good reason whatsoever, with no benefit to the child. Where are all the threads protesting against that?

their usage in younger children on them for precocious puberty who may well be on them for 4 or 5 years which may well be the same length of time, or even longer, than a child taking them for gender dysphoria.

This is incorrect. 4-5 years of use, so from 3for girls and 4 for boys would be very unusual and likely secondary to a brain tumour (often a benign one). There will often be other hormones involved and wider complicating issues. Most use will be in idiopathic precocious puberty in girls from around 7 years or so (with puberty normal in girls from 8 years).

Don’t make stuff up

Where are all the threads protesting against that?

You've not been on mumsnet for long have you?

www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?mustmatch=circumcision&dontmatch=&nickname=&src_displ_option=s_m_d_m&fromDate=&toDate=&topicmode=All

I agree Decomposing.

Unnecessary surgery on children is barbaric.

I have argued voraciously against circumcision as well. No don’t I will again. I have good stats and papers and paediatric position statements as well.

I don't know because I don't need to know. These are questions and decisions for the relevant drs, parents and patients to ask and make.

The relevant doctors, parents and patients have not asked these questions, are not considering these questions and are basing their decisions on no evidence, no consideration of these questions and with very questionable ethics concerns that are being investigated. That’s the whole bloody point. It’s relevant to the OP because they are now in amongst the whole tangled web of this.

Decomposing, there are also countless threads on FGM.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost

Been on Mumsnet for ages. Still only see the very occasional mention of circumcision, not endless, multiple times a day threads about it and given you are all so dead set against medical intervention on children unless there are clear benefits for the child I wonder why that would be?

Circumcision surely affects far more children than gender dysphoria does.

It’s relevant to the OP because they are now in amongst the whole tangled web of this.

I don't see how discussion around the efficacy of puberty blockers is relevant to the op given that a)she isn't the parent of a trans gender child and b)she isn't responsible for consenting to or denying said treatment.

there are also countless threads on FGM.

www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?mustmatch=FGM&dontmatch=&nickname=&src_displ_option=s_m_d_m&fromDate=&toDate=&topicmode=All

The drs will have some idea of the effects from their usage in younger children on them for precocious puberty who may well be on them for 4 or 5 years which may well be the same length of time, or even longer, than a child taking them for gender dysphoria.

No. They are on them for a much shorter period. Precocious puberty is when a girl starts puberty younger than 8 years of age, or a boy younger than 9. Once they have reached the normal age of puberty they will come off the drugs and puberty will commence again normally. So they would probably only be on the medication for a year or two.

The other difference is that children treated for precocious puberty go through a natural puberty at a normal age. Children treated for gender dysphoria never go through a natural puberty if they go straight on to cross sex hormones aged about 16.

I’ve been enjoying the discussion about different drugs, the ethics and efficacy of their use etc.

Such a shame the thread has regressed back to insults and hyperbole about people who hold different views.

Still, at least it’s the last page.

Circumcision surely affects far more children than gender dysphoria does.

Yes so much so that the effects are well known.

Circumcision surely affects far more children than gender dysphoria does.

Is there any evidence of a 4000% increase in circumcision in the last 10 years?

there are also countless threads on FGM.

FGM is entirely different though because it is illegal in the UK and for the most part considered an abhorrent practice.

Male circumcision is legal, is under taken for no medical reason and for no benefit to the child when done for cultural or religious reasons. Why isn't it called MGM? And why aren't you all campaigning so ardently against it?

@woodchuck99 Often the challanging behaviours provides sensory stimulation, attracts attention and is a way of communication

You are beyond ignorant. My dd will bang her head against a brick wall if she is experiencing a sensory overload, because she doesn't understand how to cope with it in any other way. She gets an itch, she will scratch herself until she is bleeding to make it stop.

Yes, she is counteracting one sensory feeling with another, but that doesn't mean I continue to let her bang her head on that wall, or scratch her skin off because of an itch. You take steps to STOP IT, other wise they will cause themselves (or others dependent on the behaviour) an injury. You don't just let them carry on because because it's stimulating, attracting attention or communicating!!

I don't medicate my child, because she will stop with my help and with distraction. But if she didn't, I'd consider it.

Once they have reached the normal age of puberty they will come off the drugs and puberty will commence again normally. So they would probably only be on the medication for a year or two.

So if they go onto them at age 5 they might well be on them for 3 or 4 years and that's if they come off of them at age 8 or 9.

And why aren't you all campaigning so ardently against it?

I am.

Why isn't it called MGM? And why aren't you all campaigning so ardently against it?

There are 500 threads against it.

Yes, infant circumcision and puberty blockers for children with gender identity issues are akin; they both result in the permanent alteration of a child’s body to which they can’t consent and both should be banned.

Is there any evidence of a 4000% increase in circumcision in the last 10 years?

No, but the numbers affected by circumcision are many times greater than the numbers of children with gender dysphoria.

Yes so much so that the effects are well known.

Yes. The adverse effects plus the numbers of men mentally affected by having had it done as babies is well known. So why is it allowed to continue?

You will find threads where it is called MGM on this very site.

And why aren't you all campaigning so ardently against it?

Are we supposed to discuss everything on every thread?

So if they go onto them at age 5 they might well be on them for 3 or 4 years and that's if they come off of them at age 8 or 9.

Yes, but that would be very unusual and likely secondary to intracranial pathology such as a brain tumour.

So longer-term effects of puberty blockers would be muddled by any treatment for the cause and also by disruptions of other hormonal axes.

Not comparable to puberty blockers in dysphoric children. Most children have much shorter therapy.

There are 500 threads against it.

Numbering how many posts?

And how many threads and posts about gender dysphoria?