to find Labour unelectable?

[NovemberRose90]

I was just listening to Angela Rayner at the conference. And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable.

And the whole Tom Watson thing was such a mess-up. Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided? (And I personally think that TW has been pretty restrained, considering that he obviously disagrees with the Labour leadership on pretty much everything and simultaneously as at least 50% of the PLP on his side...)

Agreed. Some of their current plans are bonkers.

I will struggle to vote for them unless they get rid of Jeremy Corbyn.
I don't know what the fascination is but I don't find him prime minister material.

Well I feel stronger about not voting Tory as they have made an almighty cock up of things.

So no, I don't think they are unelectable. And if Labour do get in, the Tories have no-one to blame but themselves.

I'll be voting for them. The other parties are all much more unelectable... at least I agree with a lot of labour policies.... whether or not they'll actually be implemented remains to be seen... but I'd rather attempt that than vote for people I disagree fundamentally with..
And I would vote green but in my area that's akin to handing a vote to the conservatives...

I also find them more electable than the Conservatives and the Lib Dems' Brexit policy is on the undemocratic side (although there's no way they'll be able to form a majority government, so they're safe in the knowledge they'll never have to implement it - it's a leverage thing, I guess).

I do find the lack of quality policymakers on Labour's front bench really depressing.

Should add that I don't have a vote anyway, so my opinions are actually pretty irrelevant!

Here's hoping.

Thanks goodness they are unelectable especially as Corbyn is in charge.

I would love to support labour, but every single thing I hear/read about them makes me want to shout.

For crying out loud, get shot of Corbyn. The point of politics is to get elected and change stuff, not to snipe on the sidelines with wonderful pie-in-the-sky plans.

They're useless.

All parties make grand promises when an election is looming. They won't be able to carry them all out.

I honestly don’t know who I would vote for. Dh and I are both labour supporters but the thought of Corbyn getting in is awful.

I live in a conservative constituency so I don’t know if my vote will make a difference anyway.

As someone who’s voted for Labour in the past I’ll categorically refuse to do so with Corbyn at the helm (or even a Corbyn successor who has the same ideology as him).

I’m from a working class background in the North (am a ‘professional’ London dweller now) and have flip flopped. It’s almost compulsory to vote Labour where I’m from but all my friends and family there are even considering voting Tory for the first time in their lives because of him

Yanbu. As long as Corbyn stays at the helm then they'll never win an election. Imagine anyone else.. even a pineapple as an opposition leader against Boris! They'd wipe the floor with the Tories.

I'm a previous Labour voter and feel quite comfortable describing myself as a moderate Labour-centrist (Apparently I'm a right-wing Tory according to some Corbynistas). I hate the idea of voting for Labour under Corbyn, I'd vote Lib Dem only excepting the circumstance of needing to vote tactically in a GE and I'm not sure yet what the most effective way to vote in my constituency is.

And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable

Yet when Boris Johnson says he will find 14 billion for higher rate tax cuts, x billions for education and 23 billion for health spending oh and almost 7 billion for Brexit... no one bats an eye lid.

I agree on the Watson debacle but to say Labour is too divided to be in Govt is ridiculous!
Have you not seen the mess the Conservatives are in????

Labour have some great policies, however, Corbyn, rightly or wrongly is now seen by the general public as toxic, he needs to step aside asap.

Angela Rayner. Left school at 15 with no qualifications.
Sorry, but I’d quite like any future Education Secretary to have at least one degree and have possibly been a teacher.
This is what Labour is now. Unprofessional, barely educated and completely ridiculous.

Magic Grandad and The Dribbling Loons 😂

No, I won't be voting for them. I'd rather vote to elect a toddler group.

I do have a good friend who left school with no qualifications and went into further study later on - she's now a highly qualified specialist nurse in a children's hospital and genuinely one of the most rational and intelligent people I know. I'm not sure I could say the same for Angela Rayner...

I just feel like Corbyn surrounds himself with sycophants who constantly chant, "Well, Jeremy says...", irrespective of their actual ability and suitability for the roles they inhabit. And I'm not saying the other parties are any better - it bothers me with Labour at the moment because I am basically a Labour voter but I find it too hard to believe in them as a party of government at the moment.

My MP is Andy Slaughter and I think he's fantastic. But soft left MPs like him are frozen out in the PLP, I feel...

Of course they are, I think it is intentional who would want to take over the country at the moment.

November leaving school with no qualifications is not always the end of the world for the reasons you state, and as someone who went back into adult education myself it’s a wonderful thing!
But that’s just it - Rayner never did that. A possible Education Secretary whose only experience is one scant decade as a student herself who never felt the need to learn more. How can she possibly be the best person for the job?! It’s utterly lamentable.

As long as momentum are in any way involved they likely will not be in power. Momentum are fucking terrifying.

Work harder, earn less, dilute opportunity to benefit the lower classes without addressing the social issues at home/community beyond schooling.

Those that work hard, learn hard, get a good job, earn a very decent wage, that come from nothing.... Then have kids and their kids start from the bottom all over again.

My son will be going to private school. We have a household income of less than £29k. His education will be our priority and private schools here cost less p/a than paying for wrap around care, summer clubs, holidays clubs etc at a state school. Why will we be penalised for making it a priority just because those on similar incomes would rather have big lease purchase cars and top sky packages?

They really aren't doing themselves any favours. But the Tories are still worse, aren't they.

No I don't find Labour unelectable. The Tory party is even more divided and made a choice to put the country through austerity which disproportionately affected the less advantage. Someone who educated themselves later in life and has experience of making a living may have as much to offer as someone who has a degree in classics but treats parliament as the Eton debating society but has had a protected life. (J R-M?) I have sympathy with the Lib dems but they are being undemocratic and refusing to compromise. Magic grandad and the dribbling loons is an appallingly ageist comment to make ( but please leave it up MN to show how ignorant people can be). Labour are no more unelectable than anyone else.

Please excuse typos, no edit facility.

I wouldn't trust Rayner to run a bath never mind the whole education system of the UK, when I've got a higher level of education than the Shadow Secretary of State for Education you know things are in the shit.

Aren't their plans for education essentially; remove options people voluntarily use for education, drag everyone into total government reliance for education in the hopes that all the people who currently fail at education will suddenly be magically lifted up by their new peers? I suppose it will keep tutors in a good steady flow of work from people who's kids have been forced out of grammar and private schools.

Totally agree. It's a nice set of pie in the Sky plans but it's not realistic for the country financially. This is why the tories keep getting in though - there is no credible alternative. I have an inkling they're doing it on purpose actually. It's easier to fanny around and criticise someone else's work than put the energy into doing a better job.

Whether you liked Blair or not, he provided a viable alternative and that's why people voted for him.