to find Labour unelectable?

[NovemberRose90]

I was just listening to Angela Rayner at the conference. And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable.

And the whole Tom Watson thing was such a mess-up. Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided? (And I personally think that TW has been pretty restrained, considering that he obviously disagrees with the Labour leadership on pretty much everything and simultaneously as at least 50% of the PLP on his side...)

Even Mr Corbyn agrees with you! Why else would a leader of the opposition not jump at the chance of a general election?

Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided?
Remind me again which party just sacked 21 MPs for disagreeing with the leader’s policy, @NovemberRose90?

I don’t understand why people vote for them under Corbyn. He’s insane. Scrapping private schools is a massive mistake. He went to private school, Abbott sent her son to one. Complete hypocrites. It’s like he’s putting out pledges in the hope he doesn’t win. This country will collapse under him but thankfully he won’t ever get in.

Could all the ‘can’t vote for them under Corbyn’ types explain what their issue with him is? Without using provable nonsense that has turned up in smears, I mean. Actual stuff he has actually done/said which make him unelectable?

There is money it’s just a case of priorities. There also need to be structural changes to the tax system. Not just tinkering with income tax rises but actually looking at the total income people get and charging accordingly.

It’s too easy to pay minimal tax if you’re lucky enough to be massively rich (especially as those riches come at the expense of most of the population)

He went to private school, Abbott sent her son to one. Complete hypocrites

Why? In our current education system, if you want the best and can afford it, you pay.

He didn’t choose private school for himself....

The idea isn’t to keep the current state system and remove private. It’s to improve the overall offer.
Surely it’s not hard to fathom.

@cardibach I never said that I found the Tories electable either! I just wish there was a more credible opposition.

My issues with Corbyn, in a nutshell:

1. He is incredibly indecisive and by the time he decides on a course of action, the moment has usually passed
2. He can't manage his party
3. He lacks party management / organisational / legislative experience and skills, as do most of his front bench
4. His / McDonnell's economic strategy does not (to me) add up
5. I wish he would either stand by or apologise for some of his actions, rather than trying to pretend that they didn't happen: i.e. "stupid woman" / Tunisia memorial / etc. etc.

The Tories have actually been the worst custodians of the public sector in days gone by.

@ThatssomebadhatHarry Excuse me?

Alright, I thought that perhaps we could have an actual discussion about party policy / issues here, but obviously not! I'm totally happy to be corrected, but I'd rather not just have random accusations flung around.

A. I can't vote anyway in a GE
B. I've never voted Conservative in ANY election, for those who are interested
C. I'd actually like to be convinced by Labour - but I am not.

Instead of listening to sound bites and edits from the radio, you should go and read their manifesto? 🤷🏻‍♀️

I have...

Policies such as allowing tenants the right to buy below market rate kill the Labour Party as an option for me. Absolutely bonkers.

1. Policy is decided by the party, not You know, democratically. I assume you are referring to Brexit Policy specifically which has been characterised this way by the media. In fact it was decided at conference 2 years ago and has never changed.
2. I’m not sure what you mean. Disagreement is allowed within parties. It’s even healthy. He does get a lot of push back from New Labour types, but he hasn’t had mass resignations or a recent power struggle.
3. You have a bit of a pint here - but those with all the experience are making a cock up, so let someone try something different. He’s an astute politician with lots of experience of that, so maybe he’ll be brilliant. He at least won’t be Tory or centre right, which is not nothing.
4. The manifesto is costed. Doesn’t really matter how it feels to you.
5. Stupid woman didn’t happen. Most of the criticisms are smears and exaggerated, but yes, maybe clarity would help. I do feel that if he addressed all the smears against him he wouldn’t have time to actually be LOTO, which is presumably the point...

People are actually dying from Tory Policy. The LibDems supported those policies in coalition and don’t seem much different now. Labour is the only alternative and I can’t see any criticism of Corbyn which is strong enough to outweigh that.

Number one should say ‘by the party, not Corbyn. you know...
Even my iPad is trying to erase him.

Could all the ‘can’t vote for them under Corbyn’ types explain what their issue with him is?
Well, his failure to deal with antisemitism in the Labour Party isn't exactly appealing. And don't start calling that a smear because I've been following the sorry saga for the last couple of years. Bloody disgraceful.

And thats even before we get on to the power of the Hard Left within the party now. Hence the attempt to defenestrate Tom Watson.

I have some serious disagreements with the LibDems, but I'll probably be voting for them because the Tories under BoJo are a joke as well.

Don't get how people even support Labour the amount of racism and dodgy views in that party are unbelievable and none of their maths ever adds up for all these grand schemes they come out with

It would be good to have an proper discussion on policy rather than "never under Corbyn" generalisations and "magic grandad" insults. Only one poster has said which policy issues bother her and some people aren't factually acurate about policy .

But it is not just labour mps who are hypocrites about private schooling.
I remember not so long ago local to me a labour councillor nick childs deputy leader of Brighton and hove city council who was very vocal about private schools and his socialist vision for education for Brighton had to resign when it became public knowledge that he sent his daughter to Roedean. Not only a private school but at around £40k a year probably one of the most expensive in the country.

Got to love a wealthy socialist

What iggly said. Find out what the policies are.

They are quite literally planning to strip assets from private schools. To nationalise private (albeit registered charities) assets. Real communist manifesto stuff.

If they are willing to do that, private business and home owners shouldn't be sitting too comfortably, no matter which way they vote.

Labour in their present form are barking mad and very dangerous.

but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from?

presumably the same Magic Money Pot that Boris and the Tories have suddenly discovered to call an end to austerity (if you can believe that bollocks) and a sudden ask-and-ye-shall-receive-(a-promise) approach to public finances ?

Funny we didn't get threads asking where the money for famers was coming from. Or fishermen. Or the North. Or HS2. Or HS3. Or the army. Or the air force. Or Wales. Or Cornwall. or indeed the £100,000,000 being spaffed on "getting ready" to "get ready" for Brexit.

Did I mention the £10 billion to the DUP ? And there must be a few more letters of the alphabet that haven't received any funding so far. I'm thinking of a campaign to get some more funds for "X". Not sure why, but I know as long as there's no press there, Boris will promise it. (Although I suspect he's more likely to pump money into the letter "D" repeated ....)

They are quite literally planning to strip assets from private schools. To nationalise private (albeit registered charities) assets. Real communist manifesto stuff.

If they are willing to do that, private business and home owners shouldn't be sitting too comfortably, no matter which way they vote.

Labour in their present form are barking mad and very dangerous.

This x 1000!

I've got an issue with a few policies - for example, prescription charges. I'd say that anything which the prescriber considers to be a chronic condition should be exempt. But I am not convinced there is any point in making it universally free.

Totally agree that is about Labour rather than JC, though!