to find Labour unelectable?

[NovemberRose90]

I was just listening to Angela Rayner at the conference. And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable.

And the whole Tom Watson thing was such a mess-up. Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided? (And I personally think that TW has been pretty restrained, considering that he obviously disagrees with the Labour leadership on pretty much everything and simultaneously as at least 50% of the PLP on his side...)

At least Gavin Williamson knows not to behave like a dictator . Pity he can't teach that to Boris Johnson then. I have never known politics in such a mess.

Ha, yes - Gavin Williamson the tarantula man! The soul of moderation and reasonability!

Labour under Corbyn represent nothing but the politics of spite, envy and division. I’d probably classify myself as a swing voter, but Corbyn has been an utter failure in opposition. He’s contributed nothing to the debate, he’s sat back and waited for other people to trip up and employed deliberate ambiguity throughout. To me that says the only thing he cares about is power and he will exploit anyone’s vulnerability to get it. If he wins our country is finished, we would be off to the first place that would take us.

It really isn’t a case of the country has went so far to the right people are unfairly labelling Corbyn far left. He is far left. Ok the majority of current Labour MPs aren’t and that’s why they’re facing deselection procedures. Not because they’re ‘Red Tories’ but due to vindictiveness and not being ideology pure or not worshiping Jezza.

It really is becoming a Marxist communist party. Those who aren’t like that are up for the chop

It's the old story of Labour falling apart at the seams just when they need to be unified. Somebody said "Labour" is called a "movement" because it lacks the discipline of a "political party".

It is amusing hearing the Labour Party being called the party of spite, envy and division etc when the likes of the Tories have set up immigrants and benefit claimants as the enemy and punished them accordingly. That is spiteful, especially as they don’t have wealth or power like the very rich do.

I think labour needs to update and reinvent itself but at the core, it should be about the fact that we all should have a decent outcome in life and a decent share of the gains, instead of being ripped off at the expense of others.

People have this idea in their head that you can earn and earn enough if only you work hard enough.

Plenty of people work incredibly hard in very low paid jobs which do not pay the bills while those at the top do the opposite.

It’s an awful way to run a country.

I despair when I look at the Labour talent outside the Shadow cabinet - those frozen out as being from the "wrong side" of the party. Most of these won't be standing again and it will take Labour a generation to recover the damage from Momentum.

Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided?
Dunno. People keep voting Tory and they are at least as divided.

Dunno. People keep voting Tory and they are at least as divided.
They normally manage to pull themselves together come conference time to at least present the illusion of unity.

Will be interesting next week to see if they manage to stop the infighting for the sake of the conference given recent events or if they'll make themselves look like a bunch of clowns too

If the Tories make themselves look like a bunch of clowns?

I was just listening to Angela Rayner at the conference. And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable.

Where is the funding for the Conservatives' recently-announced £14,000,000,000 for education supposed to come from? Answer: nowhere, because it's made-up. Labour's proposals will be equally imaginary when they have to provide the details. Pretending to be able to spend billions of pounds is not an exclusively Labour trait: Conservatives have believed in the magic money tree for a very long time, and firmly believe it will continue to bear money even when it's been chopped up for firewood to try to keep the lights on for a couple of hours. Johnson is a complete fantasist with an army of cheelreaders encouraging him to make ever more absurd promises, but Daily Mail readers and MumsNet posters believe every fantasy he makes up.

Both main parties are as bad as each other. Labour frankly terrifies me at the moment. Asset stripping people for 'the greater good'. Who decides the worthy? The pigs?
As for the Tories. Bunch of nasty opportunistic liars.

It's possible to loathe both parties under their current make up. Distaste of one does not automatically equal support for another.

No way will I ever be voting for the Labour party. Their plans for 'reform' of the inheritance tax system would see to it that the majority of people in this country will end up paying huge amounts of IHT. They absolutely cannot be trusted. They would inflict even more hardship and misery on this country than the wretched tories.

The majority of people in this country will end up paying huge amounts of inheritance task No, the majority don't have a house and savings that would meet the threshold. I consider myself comfortable, retired, own a house in the North, have 20K in savings. The value of my home doesn't bring me up to the required level. Large numbers of people rent and are on basic pension or low wage so a majority don't have much.

I concede that free social care would mean more people leave enough

Regardless of who is running the party Labour are in a difficult position are they a Remain party or not - becoming the main Remain party they face losing a lot of voters that equates to a lot of seats it’s a huge gamble for them

They're fence sitting on a massive scale, if they ever got power they'd just do what they feel like. If they come out as remain they'll haemorrhage votes to the Brexit party and UKIP in their working class constituencies. If they come out in favour of Brexit too heavily, they'll haemorrhage votes in their metropolitan constituencies to Lib Dems.

I'm just enjoying that this whole shitshow is keeping them unelectable, bring it on. Hope we can oust my current Labour MP at the next general election, that would be a glorious day.

They’re unelectable because the media has portrayed Corbyn as an evil commie and communism has terrified people for millennia. He isn’t a commie, he’s a socialist and I think people have trouble differentiating between the two.

Having said that, I used to be a Labour Party member and I had emails referring to me as comrade so that was slightly weird and Orwellian.

Oh and they have no choice but to sit on the fence re Brexit. A lot of their grassroots support comes from working class Brexit voters. If they came out as a staunchly Remain party, they’d lose a colossal amount of votes to wankers like the Brexit Party...

The brexit debate has become more and more polarised. Just over half the country voted leave and half remain so it is disingeous to call leave the will of the people. The issue is very divisive and I don't think it is fence sitting to try to take a less binary position. I don't recall people having such strong feelings about the EU before this was whipped up. If labour put a new deal to the vote with one option being remain I would vote remain but I don't think the people who voted leave can be dismissed.