to find Labour unelectable?

[NovemberRose90]

I was just listening to Angela Rayner at the conference. And it all sounds great, but where on earth is the funding for this education programme supposed to come from? It sounds unachievable.

And the whole Tom Watson thing was such a mess-up. Who will vote for a party which is so blatantly so divided? (And I personally think that TW has been pretty restrained, considering that he obviously disagrees with the Labour leadership on pretty much everything and simultaneously as at least 50% of the PLP on his side...)

Oh wow, Boris - I don't think I even bother to think about what he says, let alone post about it. I kind of just assume that it's not the truth.

Quite honestly none of them are electable at the moment. Labour is the least of the worries as they won’t be elected.

Be more scared of an ever more right wing Tory Party.

YANBU. Corbyn's personal ratings are dire and he comes across (to me anyway) as shifty and ineffectual. Not somebody to lead the country at a time of crisis. He can't even manage his own party.

They're too far left for many people imo plus the antisemitism issues make Corbyn unelectable for a number of people.

It's a pity because there is some real talent in Labour imo - Kier Starmer, Hilary Benn, Jess Phillips. But at the moment I'd go LibDem because they are most aligned to what I believe and I'd rather have Swinson than Corbyn or Johnson.

I have two kids doing well in non maintained special schools. I guess they are fucked if labour get in. Ho hum. I was hoping they might get a chance to contribute to society but state only offers severe learning difficulties schools near me with no formal qualifications.

If labour get in at least they can go on the dole for life at 18. My work getting a education and working hard from a working class background will be just see my kids back there. On the dung heap.

I agree with you about prescription charges OP. Plenty can afford them, I'd rather it was means tested, but I think as is people on benefits are exempt. It'd be nice, but there are more pressing things for the NHS to spend money on imo, and if Brexit happens, the NHS will have far greater problems, so I'd rather the focus was on preventing a crash out.

Saw Corbyn on Andrew Marr this morning and thought he just looked rather unwell - quite different to the last time I really looked carefully (probably at least 6 months ago tbh!)

I have lupus nephritis and I take daily meds, which I pay for. Sure, it's a bit annoying, but I get everything on one prescription and 2 months worth - it's really not bad. I'd rather that money went to emergency services than saving people like me £9 every two months [shrug].

Angela Raynor is currently on channel 4 boasting about shutting down private schools. She honestly sounds like she’s high on coke. Thick as shite to boot. I feel politically homeless, can’t believe I’m having to go over to Lib Dems again.

@whyayepetal Well, there have been rumours about his health and so on, but they may be just that. I think he looks tired (but he probably is!).

@NovemberRose90 Oh - I hadn't heard any rumours, literally just looked at TV and thought he looked quite different. He probably is tired to be fair!

I've thought that since late summer, before hearing rumours also. I wonder if he finds the personal aggro and lack of privacy quite difficult to deal with? The press today had a lot of speculation about his health, that he may be close to standing down, and that Momentum are keen to remove Tom Watson so that he would not be interim leader in that scenario.

Cinnamoncake Yes! There are some excellent Labour MPs who are being overlooked or frozen out because of the Corbyn/Momentum cabal. Jess Phillips is brilliant, a total grown up but also down to earth. Popular cross party too. Keir Starmer literally Labour’s only true statesman like figure (um maybe even Parliament as a whole). And yet no matter how much I prefer these MPs to those of other parties, they are hamstrung by the leadership. It’s heartbreaking.
The current leadership seem hellbent on a race to the bottom. It’s taken a mere four and a half years to destroy the party. 😢

his failure to deal with antisemitism in the Labour Party
Well, you can say it is t a smear, but ‘following it’ doesn’t mean you aren’t just following smears. Have a look at these two collections of info.

I've thought about why I wouldn't vote Labour quite a lot, and my honest answer is I just don't know.

Labour under Corbyn is more what I would call Labour, I don't particularly like Starmer/Milliband types. I stopped voting Labour under Blair. I have no loyalty to any party and would say I am a swing voter.

This won't be good enough for some on this thread ( and I can understand why), but I just don't trust them. I don't believe what they say. I don't like the mixed messages on Brexit. I dislike the sloganeering (sick of hearing "you cannot do this on the cheap"). And yes, I've read the manifesto and I know the Tories are crap, etc. (I don't trust them either).

I don't actually know what would make me want to vote Labour again, but this isn't it.

At one stage Jewish members were being escorted around a Party event for their safety. I couldn't give a proverbial what some funded study found. Labour's safe harbouring of antisemitism is a national disgrace.

And thats even before we get on to the power of the Hard Left within the party now
I genuinely think we’ve lost sight of what left is in this country. The Overton window has shifted so far 5ha5 on one hand people defend Farage as not being Far Right and on the other accuse Labour of being Hard Left. Look at the manifesto. None of the policies would look out of place in centre left European country. They aren’t Hard Left’, or ‘Communist’ or any of those other things. They are fairly standard democratic socialists.

Pics you just sound a bit deranged actually. Corbyn, in particular, has been an anti-racism campaigner all his life. What’s more likely, he’s hidden these views for 70 years or someone has made them up to smear him. It’s like the question about ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ Any answer makes you look guilty, as does no response.
My second image is things he’s actually done to support/defend Jewish people, by the way. You might find it interesting. And maybe compare it with, say, Johnson and his disgustingly racist family.

None of the policies would look out of place in centre left European country. They aren’t Hard Left’, or ‘Communist’ or any of those other things. They are fairly standard democratic socialists.

What a load of shit. Labour's planning to abolish private education and expropriate private property. If that's not far left, then your Overton Window has developed a severe lean!

I actually have no issue with Labour's Brexit position. The country isn't unanimous, why should a political party have to pretend to be? It makes absolute sense that Emily Thornberry or Keir Starmer or Tulip Siddiq or Andy Slaughter should be pro-remain, just as it also makes sense that Dennis Skinner (for instance) should be pro-leave. IMO he's wise to give them a "free campaign" so to speak (like Wilson in the 70s and that didn't seem to hurt him too bad, ultimately).

Labour could be electable if they ditched Corbyn and stopped fighting amongst themselves.
Unfortunately ideological purity is more important to the hard left than actually winning an election so they're going to saddle us with another 4 years of the Tories.
If they can't even work together to show a united front for a 1 week conference how can they expect us to trust them to work together to run a government. They're a shambles and this next election will be first I haven't voted for Labour,

Those figures are designed to obfuscate.

There is no doubt that Anti-semitism has grown under Corbyn.

Watch the Panorama programme and see Labour Jews quaking in fear and a culture of aggressive racism driven by Momentum.

Re. Corbyn, Antisemitism, Tunisia... I personally don't like his evasion tactics. (And for the record, I don't like Johnson's either.)

Take the memorial thing. He came out with his "present but not participating" line and everyone was like, "Oh yeah, poor guy. He just went on holiday to Tunisia (as anyone might) and went for a walk in a graveyard (as one does) and came across these people having a memorial service (as is customary in places of burial) and they asked him if he could help to hold up the wreath because they didn't have enough people to do it for the photo - so he kindly helped out. I mean, it could happen to anyone."

I'd have much more respect if he'd just said "Yes, I wanted to engage with these people and the event, it seemed like the right thing to do, I might now make a different decision on reflection, but at the time I had no inkling that I'd be LOTO and didn't think anyone would ever have reason to know or care about this."

you just sound a bit deranged actually.

I'll take that under advisement.

I have always voted labour but not since Corbyn & Co along with Momentum are running the party I won’t.

Regardless of who is running the party Labour are in a difficult position are they a Remain party or not - becoming the main Remain party they face losing a lot of voters that equates to a lot of seats it’s a huge gamble for them

Corbyn will be around for sometime due to party member support but I am disappointed with many Labour MP’s they know Labour is in a difficult position in regards to Brexit yet many may stamp their feet at Corbyn sitting on the fence but non are willing to openly challenge him to a leadership contest

This is Labour's downfall infighting, division within the party and not focusing on gaining power

I'm worried about the requirement for large companies to give 10% of their equity to their staff. They will have to issue more shares to do so, and this will dilute existing shareholdings. In theory that's fine, rich people holding shares can take the hit.

However, my defined contribution pension fund owns shares in a lot of these large companies so would take a big hit. Defined benefit pensions would take even bigger hits on valuations probably leading to more closures which would have big impacts on public sector workers.