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AIBU Greta Thunberg?

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onalongsabbatical · 22/09/2019 10:34

AIBU to ask everyone who can to get behind Greta Thunberg, even if only online, as she's now getting a lot a lot a lot of hate. She clearly threatens people - especially her polar opposites, men, rich old men, powerful men (did I mention men?). Let's all give her the lurve and support she needs.
So on FB I challenged one just now - Why are you attacking a young woman? - and he disappeared. Funny, that.

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grumiosmum · 25/09/2019 07:37

Trewser I've been an environmental campaigner for 30 years. Climate Change has never had the prominence it's gained in the past 6 months - that's due largely to Greta and Extinction Rebellion, and also to the very clear message from the last IPCC report that we only have 10 years left to sort our emissions.

And, I'll say it again, recycling isn't going to solve climate change.

There is oodles of practical advice out there too about simple steps you can take to cut your personal emissions.

Pomegranatepompom · 25/09/2019 07:40

It’s quite strange how there’s a feeling you are either for or against GT. it is possible to not agree with her speech but still agree with parts of the message.
This isn’t her battle and isn’t all about her, the emphasis on GT will be alienating imo

grumiosmum · 25/09/2019 07:45

Greta sets the record straight here (from her FB page):

Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general.
So let me make some things clear about my school strike.

In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis.
I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings.
I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings.

When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them.
On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before.

Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation.
I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so.
And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd.
Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations.

My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses.
That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead.
Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights.

And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood.

Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting.

Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases.
Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival.
And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic.

There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school.
I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue.

And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( www.ted.com/…/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_…/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began.

And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope.
/Greta

Trewser · 25/09/2019 07:46

Agree totally pomegranate

The issue is far bigger than either GT or XR anyway .

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 07:46

You can feel however you like of course but whilst there’ll be eye rolling like pp teens I still think stirring up this much talk is good.

Even if it does show a nasty underside of people. Not so much on this thread but there’s another one going that I just clicked off. Too much hate. Not sure why Mn lets it stand given their campaigns.

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 07:46

Of course it’s bigger

Trewser · 25/09/2019 07:49

sets the record straight how?

Trewser · 25/09/2019 07:50

I still think stirring up this much talk is good yes this is true

Chatt3rb0x · 25/09/2019 07:54

I think many people like to block out climate change as it’s so horrific. GT makes you confront it instead of looking the other way. That is why she attracts hate. People can’t block it out, pretend it’s not happening or hope somebody else will deal the pesky issue. It scares them and makes them feel guilty so the easiest thing to do is to attack the messenger.

Trewser · 25/09/2019 07:57

It scares them and makes them feel guilty so the easiest thing to do is to attack the messenger

I don't think that is always true. I think a lot of people don't give a shit about climate change and therefore don't appreciate GT at all.

Floisme · 25/09/2019 07:58

I agree it's got us talking about climate change. But are any of us talking sense? I'm not sure any more. It feels like the more I find out, the less I know. Did Einstein say that or was it Johnny Nash?

Trewser · 25/09/2019 08:01

Noone is talking sense because noone has the first clue how to reverse climate change.

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:06

There is a lot of noise but one thing you can do is make different choices and spend differently.

So as much as we need the thinkers who can advise governments etc away from the public we need cut through to get people to notice it’s even an issue. That’s why she’s a good addition to the other things.

Trewser · 25/09/2019 08:07

you can do is make different choices and spend differently

How?

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:08

Oh come on really

Think about that extra holiday, stop buying mineral water, businesses consider their imprint.

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:09

I’ll leave you to think of more

Trewser · 25/09/2019 08:10

Stop buying mineral water and dont take a second holiday GrinGrin

Brilliant. You do realise China is building new coal fired power stations every day?

Floisme · 25/09/2019 08:10

It's not a good thing if she doesn't know her stuff properly and frankly I'm not sure she does. I think the people worth listening to are the scientists and she isn't one.

BeardedMum · 25/09/2019 08:11

Of course some people have a clue about how to reverse climate change.

GT gets a lot of support from the scientific community. What she is saying is fact based and backed by science.

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:11

And if millions change their decisions? You’d rather they didn’t?

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:11

Trewser it’s not the only thing that has to happen

You do realise that don’t you?

Trewser · 25/09/2019 08:12

Of course some people have a clue about how to reverse climate change

Oh yeah? So why isn't it happening?

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:13

Why are you so inert it’s bizarre

You think Greta is pointless because she can’t solve everything. She doesn’t have to.

MarshaBradyo · 25/09/2019 08:15

A large part will be done to inertia of people. Can’t change don’t want to change will laugh at changes instead.

Trewser · 25/09/2019 08:15

The largest greenhouse gas emitters in the world — China, the United States, and India — offered either nothing or very little about their commitments to curb emissions on Monday at the United Nations Climate Action Summit, a gathering explicitly convened to push countries to do more to fight climate change

This is why I am not sure making people feel guilty for eating beef on a Sunday is the way to go.